Вопрос о кризисе

[Ирина Свэт]

Вы можете представить человека богатого - из тех, кого считают даже не средним классом, а выше... При этом такому человеку должно быть не более 35 лет (36 тоже можно, но не 45 - точно). Так вот, и чтобы такой человек - умный при этом, а не из тех, кто кредит берёт для выпускного дочери, а затем платить нечем:-S , - чтобы такой человек потерял ВСЁ из-за кризиса, причём от этого пришёл в предсуицидное состояние? Я коряво формулирую, но всё-таки. Очень нужно представить такого человека в Канаде илиШтатах. Ну или иначе я возвращусь к своему мнению, что кризис - ерунда, искусственно раздутая, и вообще... :-) А возвращаться не хочется. Так вот, вы такого человека можете представить? Может, читали о ком-то таком? Или лично знаете?

Спасибо большое всем за ответы!

[Гера Така]

The character of Charlie Sheen in "Wall Street".
Quite real - possibly.
Personally I do not know people like that.
Cheers...(D) (D) (D)

[Mike]

i guess it's a question of leverage..
there were tons of highly leveraged people who lost everything.. i don't know about their suicide tendencies tho..

[Khramaya]

could happen..but just the fact that a person takes a loan for a kid's prom - is a statement of financial irresponsibility ( of some degree). No money - inexpensive celebration at home, period. It can't be more then $200-300, most people don't need a loan for this. anything can happen.... most reasonable people understand that even if they lose all their money, but are still young and educated - they rebuild. And , after all, it's just money - there are more important things in life. It's a matter of placing values on what's real.

[Альберт Гам]

I seen quite a few of these... My business is liquidating assets of failed firms... haven't seen suicidal ones though... Typically they just bite the dust and start again, or just live like common man - working for someone...

[Олег Сах]

Ира, я прочитал ваше послание внимательно. Это конечно возможно, но не из-за кризиса затронувшего всех поголовно. Человек мог строить свое благополучие на успехе акций одной компании, которая рухнула. Или сделать рискованное капиталовложение. Чего не замечается - это типичности таких ситуаций. Бизнес хромает, многим понизили жалование, люди экономят на многом, но суицидальных тенденций не наблюдается.

[Khramaya]

Oleg- you are right - I didn't read carefully....so take back "irresponsible" comment

[Альберт Гам]

Oleg, I was reffering to much more serious cases - people bought large real etstate projects at $300 p.sf and now it is $150 psf... Loosing companies due to multi M$ lawsuits from Fortiune 500 firms and etc... Not ones who loose $100K...

[Альберт Гам]

PS, Actually I remember one who killed his wife... He was an American though... Wife was russian... He lost the company first...

[Мария]

Mentally stable people survived much worse crises. Big part of the current crisis was artificially blown out of proportion to pass the monstrous Stimulus back in February. And after that whatever crisis there was became worse as a result of several very incompetent moves of this inept administration:-|

[Альберт Гам]

Maria, your ultra republican attitude is a bit too much... I am republican (kind of ...) myself, but, common...

[Мария]

What is ultra-republican? I'm just reading WSJ everyday, and their economists, journalists, editors analyze this pathetic presidency and come to the conclusion that so far he did only harm to the economy.

[Мария]

The editors do not support anything that can damage America.
Be it Obama, or liberal republicans. The latter getting hit the hardest.
But it's actually a very balanced NEWS paper. Most stories there are unbiased. And the opinion page publishes equal amount of conservative and liberal opinions.

[Игорь]

WSJ is as balanced as New York Times... The first "stimulus" package was passed by Bush Administration (TARP), not by Obama in February..
I know at least two people who lost a almost everything these days. But, thanks god, nobody ended up killing himself. Losing what you have hurts a lot....

[Светлана Гэмм]

I wonder if you are doing ok, becuase people who are ok and read the WSJ, that doesn't twist the facts and plagiarize, would know that Stimulus is NOT TARP...I hope you didn't lose everything...:-|

[Mike]

what the fuck is wrong with you, people?
вопрос был про индивидуумов которые серьезно пострадали от кризиса а не то то какие вы начитанные.

[Светлана Гэмм]

а мы на какой вопрос хотим на тот и отвечаем :-P
вопрос выл о кризисе, вот и ответили, что кризис был сильно приувеличен администрацией, чтобы провести свой стимулус...:-|

[Khramaya]

Last year one of my friends ( and former -from long time back- BF), a brilliant mathematician, worked at Google, suffered a stroke. He was on the vent for 4 month, 3 brain surgeries, still can't talk, cant eat, in a wheelchair..... Another good real old friend who had kidney cancer dot mets in his bones and brain... doesn't want any more treatment..... How does losing money compare with losing your health, your ability to move? - and I am talking here about people in their early fifties.....

[Mike]

то есть кризиса нет? банки не падают как какашки в туалет?
40% всей ипотеки не below water? единственное почему у нас сейчас вообще остались банки это потому что им разрешили to cook the books and not mark to market.
а без банков развалилось бы наверное 70% всех компаний которые не могут жить без кредитов..

[Mike]

hm.. how does losing your money compare to not losing your money... everything else being equal.
what do sad stories about peoples health have to do with it?

[Светлана Гэмм]

How does losing money compare with losing your health, your ability tomove? - and I am talking here about people in their early fifties.....
exactly! there must've been something underlying to trigger suicide...so many people lose everything and start all over...as long as you are healthy...

[Светлана Гэмм]

it's was not about bailing out banks, it was about if stimulus has been helpful to the economy, and obviously it has not...
honestly, do you think, maybe suspending income or corporate taxes for a year would've been more useful to revive the economy?

[Mike]

there is nothing obvious about the economy..
i ( and thousands of guys much smarter then me ) look at numbers all day long to figure things out.. and if any of them is right 55% of the time ( and wrong 45%) it's a huge accomplishment.

[Khramaya]

sad stories about people's health have to do with perspective.
When you have your health, you can go nuts or be calm about money.
But when you really don't have your health, no amount of money matters.
And it is very difficult to understand while you have your health.

[Светлана Гэмм]

What's going on with those anti-religious conservative Wall-Street crooks today, like that Raj the hedge fund guy, screwing up so many people and giving capitalism a bad name? :-|

[Светлана Гэмм]

he-he...that's what you tell your clients when they ask where their money are?......:-)

[Mike]

nice try, but i don't manage anyone's money.. just my own :)
say hello to your friend Bernie, he used to hang at the 5th avenue synagogue..

[Светлана Гэмм]

Bernie is as much my friend as Obama is..:-)
which synagogue? reformed?...should I say more?....:-)

[Khramaya]

just have to say I get such a kick from reading those exchanges!:-D :-D :-D :-D

[Mike]

they are Orthodox, but hey.. i guess if they are not a part of the special subgroup of the subreligion that you are a part of they are not moral enough :)

[Светлана Гэмм]

Julia, that's why we are writing the exchanges - so some can have fun reading them...(fr)
Mike, for now, I am working on fixing your morality, and it's working...(H)

[Mike]

yeah.. i feel my morality is at record high :)
as long as Maria does not stage a cross burnings or like an inquisition here i will be even better :)

[Светлана Гэмм]

I promise I will shelter you from any burning...:-) I have my people in the inquisition heartland...:-D
no worries about Maria - she can't hurt a fly>>>>unless you are a liberal fly...:-D

[Mike]

i don't know.. i think it's only a matter of time before the godless heads have to roll

[Д П]

Друг спрашивает у друга-банкира:
- Как тебе спалось в условиях экономического кризиса?
- Спал как ребёнок.
- Что? Так крепко?
- Нет. Всю ночь плакал, два раза обкакался.

[Мария]

i don't know.. i think it's only a matter of time before the godless heads have to roll
Только, если Аннушка масло разольёт. (H)

[Валентин Имч]

Кризис!

Что такое кризис,
В наши дни,
Что за ним стоит,
И чего нам ждать,
О последствии его,
Сегодня хочу Вам,
Поведать и *рассказать.


Встал в постели рано в 5 утра,
В супермаркете купить *можно все,
Сейчас хоть в 3 часа,
Захватил полтинник на портвейн,
В голову мне не пришел такой вот беспредел,
Что 50 рублей, просто может не хватить,
Кризис братец *в стране наступил.

В недоумках горожанин как же так,
А вчера портвейн брал за четвертак,
Кто же это все за тем стоит,
Ну наверно *Буш бандит!
Буш уже в отставке говорят,
У Американцев свой любимец!
Обама говорят.
Вот такую он обойму запустил,
Кризис во все мире учинил.

Почесав затылок пятерней,
Мужичек побрел, тихонечко домой,
Проклинал, *ругался матерясь
Как ходил в одних
Он говорил портках *в 20 век,
На вторые денег видно,
Не будет у него.
И в 21 век….

[Валентин Имч]

Коммунальные услуги во дошли,
Стоят ползарплаты в будни дни.
Хорошо, что остается,
Бублик с пиццей взять,
Чтоб потом, весь месяц вспоминать.
Как покушал, словно, ты вчера,
А сегодня пусто не фига.
А в кармане галифе от деда, 50 рублей.
Это хорошо, что не курю!
И по городу пешком хожу,
И на жизнь свою,
Давно пророчески смотрю….

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