Obama or McCain and why? Vote here.

[Юлия Whod]

ni v koem sluchae ne budu golosovat za McCaina.. on nichego ne izmenit, on absolutno protiv universal healthcare, on zavyazan so vse temi ze sem'yami starih neftyannih deneg - odnim slovom budet to ze samoe chto i pri Bushe.. Obama ili Clinton - Clinton ili Obama - iz dvuh zol viberaem menshee, dumau Obama, hotya u Clinton mozet est bolshe shansov viigrat u McCaina... voobshem kto bi ni bil v itoge, ya v lubom sluchae golosuu protiv McCaina.

[глушкина]

к сожалению,мы реально не имеем выбора,но что Бин ладен что Клинтон принесет только еще худшую проблему в стране

[Саша Дакэ]

Respyblicanes doBbet econmiky v strane do rychki.
Ia tolbko za Obama ili Clinton. Dymay nado vbIlichitb economiky i dlia atogo lychshi kondedat Clinton. Xotia skoree vsego vbIigraet Obama, tak chto skoro bydet pervbI chernbi president god bless....

[глушкина]

ага,вот му и все будем делать blow job ,потомучто смеялись над Хилари,когда Бил был президентом,а она потом и посмеется над всеми нами,вся Америка будет делать коллективно blow job (N)

[Славик Саж]

A chto takoe blow job?
;-)
Ladno, mozhete ne otvechat', I will google it.
(fr)

[глушкина]

Vay!!! You reaaly don't know this. :-(
ето когда дуют,работа такая,лучшая справка у Моники (Y)

[Vladimir Tovk]

is blow job part of legislative or executive branch? and how is it affecting economy and 9 trillion $ national debt ?
ABAR (Anybody but a Republican (hu))

[Саша Дакэ]

Clintom, moget i ne v te mesta SigarbI syval, no bezrabotisbI ne BbiLo i defesita v 470 bilionov toge neBbilo, a chto i s kem delal ato menia ne kosnylosb kak i vsex!

[Mihail35]

я может быть и в меньшинстве, но я за республиканцев...да, Буш подпортил нам репутацию...он действовал по принципу зуб за зуб (за своего папу пошел в Ирак)...и я с его политикой не совсем согласен (с признанием Косово, например, вообще лажа)...но если бы вы знали сколько тратят дермократы на никому не нужные социальные програмы, которые платят бездельникам миллионы $$$, то вы бы ужаснулись! Количество $$$ потраченных на разные програмы (в основном welfare) для бездельников, не на много уступают деньгам потраченных в Ираке....хотя и и не согласен с тем что США так долго там сидит...нужно было зайти и выйти, а не сидеть там...но как я написал в начале, все это из за Буша старшего и из-за миллионов которые получает Чейни 8oI

[Vladimir Tovk]

Миша к моему обозрению многие иммигранты не любят демократов, почему?
не знаю - наверное оскомина после СССР, хотя демокаты так же близки к
коммунистам как и республиканцы к фашистам.



с твоим обозрением по поводу субсидий не согласен.

***********.nationalpriorities.org/auxiliary/taxday2008/999.pdf




вот тебе разбивка


Anti poverty programs are only 8.6% (228 billion - note all stays in US economy unlike Iraq money)


Interest payment is 10.2 % (apx 269 billion - not all of it and
considering Bush contributed 4 trillion $ to national debt our grand
kids will be paying it! and the interest will only increase )




Military is the biggest recipient ! With Iraq war costing estimated trillions. (md)

[Mihail35]

Спасибо Влад. Данные интересные...
Просто так я проработал в системе welfare, и видел как тратятся деньги и на что (дермократами, между прочим), то я после этого никогда голосовать за демократическую партию...хотя Билл Клинтон мне был симпатичен.

[Mihail35]

The difference:
John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama were walking down Washington DC street when they came upon the homeless man. John McCain gave the man his business card, and told him to come to his office for a job. He then took $20 out of his pocket and gave it to the man.
Hillary was very impressed, so when they came upon another homeless man, she decided to help. She walked over to him and gave him directions to a welfare office. She then reached into McCain's pocket and got out $20. She kept $15 for her administrative fees, and gave the homeless man $5.
When they came upon yet another homeless person, Barak Obama told him to "have hope...change is coming..." and gave him nothing.

Now you understand the difference?

[Юлия Whod]

poydite na youtube i probeyte info na vseh treh, + prosmotrite info o tom kak LBJ ubil Kennedy i kto bil zameshan - naydete imya Busha starshego, kotoriy upominaetsy ne raz vo vseh knigah - McCain zavyazan po ushi s neftyannimi dengami (vkluchaya sem'u Busha), esli on budet nash president - nasha economika budet derzatsy na innostrannih investorah eshe 4 goda, chto privedet k eshe bolshey inflyacii... Ludi, chitayte pobolshe i uchite istoriu - tolko ne po shkonim knizkam, a po info chto mozno nayti v nete - seychas zdes vse publikuut, i ne zabivayte za chto LBJ ubil Kennedy. Golosua za McCaina - eto toze samoe chto golosovat za Busha opyat! oni vse troya ne stoyat bit presidentom, no u nas vibora drugogo net, iz zol viberaesh menshee, i samoe strashnoe - eto eshe 4 goda Busheskogo rejima esli McCain popadet v kabinet.

[Юлия Whod]

Mihail, very childish and incorrect... McCain will suck our blood and money for oil, healthcare, wars which absolutely pointless and hurmfull to the people, country and economy. READ and STUDY about all these people, not just these three but both parties history.

[Mihail35]

У каждого свое мнение...о политике, как и о еде спорить бесполезно. Я никогда не буду голосовать за дермократов, так как проработал в гос. системе нашего либерального штата почти 10 лет. Словами не передать куда и сколько денег уходит! В бездну, бездельникам шелферщикам, и так далее. Ну, как же..по демократически нужно всем помогать...это пахнет коммунизмом, когда миллионы уходили в закрама Родины!!! А однополые браки так сильно поддерживаемые дермократами! В библии, Торе, и т. д. написано, что брак может быть только между женщиной и мужчиной (я перефразировал)!
У меня хороший друг в Ираке с начала войны. Так он говорит, что многие в Ираке боятся retaliation фанатиков, если американцы уйдут. Хотя, я считаю, что мы должны были давно оттуда уйти...слишком много молодых ребят погибло там... :'(
Так что...каждому свое.

[Mihail35]

первое видео про 9/11 просто идиотизм!!! Вы еще скажите, что арабы тут не при чем!!!!!!!! Маразм... 8oI

[Юлия Whod]

Mihail, vi zakrivaete svoi glaza na fakti! smotrite video eshe raz, esli ne podcherpnuli nuznoy informacii - FAKTI o stroenii zdaniy, o graduse pod kotorim metal plavitsy, o vremeni skolko eto vse bi zanyalo, i o tom chto v zdanii ne nashli ogromnoe kolichestvo rezervnogo zolota - dumaete arabi mogli bi takoe ustroit????! naskolko vi naivni...

[Юлия Whod]

vam lapshu na ushi veshaut poslednie 8 let (eshe huze chem pri kommunizme), a vi naivno verite!

[Юлия Whod]

kak naschot togo chto vash Bush otpustil na svobodu Mohammad al-Qahtani - pochemu-to oni ego derzali skolko mogli, a teper Bushevskiy srok zakanchivaetsy - i vdrug oni ego otpuskaut na svobodu???? tolko dly dogo vidimo chtobi likvidirovat ego t.k. slishkom mnogo znaet, i sleduushiy president navernyaka nachnet novoe rassledovanie o 9/11.. kak mozno bit takimi slepimi Mihail?? vi naverno takze verite, chto Oswald ubil Kennedy??

[Юлия Whod]

ya ne govoru chto demokrati idealni - u nih svoi nedostatki, no iz dvuh zol, kak ay skazala ranee, viberaesh menshee. po sravneniu s respublikancami, demokrati - mozno skazat angeli. kstati, kto vi dumaete diskriminiruet vas RUSSKIH v etoy strane bolshe?? - respublikanci, kotorih vi tak podderzivaete..

[Mihail35]

1. Почему выпустили Мухамеда не знаете не я не Вы..и никогда не узнаете. Уберут его - одним террористом меньше. Нет - Бог его покарает.
2. Верить что Буш подстроил 9/11 - маразматизм и кощунство по отношению к погибщим людям.
3. Никто никогда (в ближайщем будущем) не узнает кто убил Кеннеди.
4. Меня никто НИКОГДА не дискрименировал в США. Не знаю, как у вас в Сан Антонио относятся к русским, а у нас отношение великолепное! И вообще, какая разница русский или не русский...отношение зависит от человека в первую очередь!

[Юлия Whod]

Mihail, teper vi budete govorit, chto i diskriminacii zdes net?? v vashih otvetah chetko vidno, chto dlya vas pravda ne imeet nikakogo znacheniya, esli ona neudobna i kolit glaza, vam legche zakrit na vse glaza - i slepo doveryat tem, kto vami manipuliruet.

[Юлия Whod]

primeri diskriminacii:
1) ne veryat
2) ne doveryaut
3) pereproveryaut
4) ah da, vi vse kazetsy prohodili visoviy process, kak vi dumaete po sravneniu s Mexicoy, russkih ne diskriminiruut?

[Mihail35]

Юлечка...кто же мной манипулирует??? :-D
Я выражаю свое мнение, и прошу его уважать. Так же как я уважаю любое другое мнение. Хотите голосовать за дермократов - голосуйте на здоровье! Слава Богу, мы живем в свободной стране (пока). А то, если придет к власти какой-нибудь Мухамед, то может уже никто не сможет голосовать. :-(

[Mihail35]

не дискриминируют!! у меня все друзья и родственники на хороших работах в разных отраслях парной промышленности. Кто в бизнесе (очень успешно), кто еще что-то. Но НИКТО НИКОГДА не скажет что его ущемляют потому что он/она русские!!!

[Юлия Whod]

Mihail, vami manipuliruut te, na deyania kotorih vi zakrivaete svoi glaza, tak kak vam tak udobney zit... v psihologii eto nazivaut Codependency... naprimer, kak v drugih sluchayah, kogda muz zenu izbevaet, a ona ne hochet razvoditsy, t.k. boitsy ostatsy odnoy.. - eto toze samoe.

[Mihail35]

Юля...может вас муж избивает не дай Бог!? Я проработал close with victims of Domestic Violemce for almost 6 years. I can help you, if you need help.
А глаза у меня открыты. Кстати, тоже самое я могу сказать и про Вас.

[Юлия Whod]

well, Mihail, vi vidimo ne zili na uge posredi redneckov i mexicancev....mi iz-za etogo iz San Antonio pereehali v Dallas..zdes ludi gorazdo proshe - nam legche.. vi v Portland - konechno mentalitet ludey ne sravnit s Alamo city..

[Mihail35]

наконец-то Вы поняли что дело не в американцах, а просто в людях...люди разные везде...есть хорошие, есть плохие..поэтому не стоит обобщать

[Юлия Whod]

Mihail, vot vi i nachinaete svou slabost pokazivat... eto ya o vashey psihike govoru, ne o moey.. v moem brake vse v poryadke, spasibo za vashe bespokoystvo, kotoroe kstati absolutno neumestno v etoy besede i k tomu ze primitivno... ay ay ay, Mihail..

[Mihail35]

я извиняюсь за резкость...просто я действительно работал с DV victims....а слабости у меня нет...спросите у моей жены ;-) :-$

[Юлия Whod]

Discriminacia prisutstvuet vezde - v luboy strane... v mega gorodah ee menshe, tak kak bolshe nacionalnostey - ludi uchatsy zit vmeste.. v uznoy chasti Ameriki est goroda s preimushestvom Mexicancev - kotorie verite ili net Russkih nenavidyat eshe bolshe chem oni nenavidyah vseh ostalnih belih Amerikancev.. i rech ne tolko o Mexicancah - eto prosto primer.. konechno mozno naivno brosatsy slovami o tom kak v Amerike net diskriminacii (chem to napominaet mne frazu - v Sovetskom Souze sexa net)... mne zdes jit ne tyazelo, skazu naoborot - ya ochen schastliva. no ya vsegda bila i budu barcom za pravdu (tak uz meny vospitali) - ya govoru o faktah i priderzivaus faktov.

[Mihail35]

по моему, Юля, это вы дискриминируете...простив мексиканцев...ай-я-яй..как не стыдно :-)

[Mihail35]

Очень много!!! но мне они не мешают...так же как китайцы, вьетнамцы, филипинцы, африканцы, и так далее...я в себе уверен...а вот про Вас такое сказать не могу....вы явно любите дискриминировать людей

[Юлия Whod]

u nas 2 businessa, kamnedobicha nedaleko ot El Paso, i stoneyard v Dallase - prihodilos nanimat i uvolnyat ludey mnogo... tak vot 100% mexicancev kto na nas rabotal v itoge pitalis vorovat ili vorovali s uspehom poka ih ne poymali na vorovstve.. 100% iz nih schitaut chto ya Mail Order Bride, hoty mi s muzem poznakomilis absolutno pri sluchaynih abstoyatelstvah licom k licu.. 100% iz nih schitaut, chto belie im chto-to dolzni i chto vse oni umnee belih, a chernih oni voobshe za ludey ne schitaut... priezjayte v San Antonio, Mihail, ya s udovolstviem pokazu vam kak tam jizn techet dly ludey kto zastryal mezdu redneckami i mexikancami..

[Mihail35]

я был в Сан Антонио...очень приятный город ;-)
А вам советую не обобщать людей. У меня есть знакомые мексиканцы (один с Гондураса даже), так они вполне нормальные и образованные люди...не судите, и не судимы будете!

[Славик Саж]

Юлечка и Михаил,
от лица администрации огромное спасибо за ваше участие в форуме.
Предлагаю вернутся к теме пока вы совсем не поссорились
Кстати, вы случаино не муж и жена?
Два вопроса, но можете не отвечать:
1. Are you US citizens ?
2. Are you registered to vote ?
3. Did you vote in 2004 ?

[Mihail35]

Таня! Ванкувер мой самый любимый город в Северной Америке!!! (L) (L) (L) Я там был 14 раз!!!!! Просто красавец, особенно летом!!! (F) Как классно пройтис. по Robson street или по Gastown, а потом прогулятся по Stanley Park и по набережной через Lion Gate Bridge!!! (L) (L) (L)

[Mihail35]

Мы не муж и жена :-D :-D :-D
1. Да, я гражданин
2. Да.
3. Да
Мы не поссоримся..просто немножко heated дисскусия...мне вообще-то скоро домой, малого с садика забирать ;-)
А вообще, Слава, огромное спасибо за группу и за форум!!! (Y) (v)

[Славик Саж]

Da net yzh, spasibo vam oboim.
Ya zaglyanyl v spisok ychastnikov vo vremya vashego razgovora, tak tam kak v Las Vegase migali ogni ychastnikov "Na Saite".
Eslib ya znal to prodoval bi bileti, kak na Pay-Per-View.
($) (Y)

[Юлия Whod]

Slavik, otveti na voprosi:
1) da ya Us citizen (3 goda)
2) da
3) net - ya eshe ne bila grazdankoy

ps. net mi ne muz i zena - inache ubili bi drug druga! (shutka)

[Mihail35]

Всем до завтра! (K) (F)..правда завтра я буду только пару часов в оффисе...поеду смотреть Зенит - Глазго Рейнжерс по телевизору...потом может снова в оффис вернусь..поработать ;-) :-D

[Юлия Whod]

Mihail, k vashemu svedeniu, nichego ne obizaet hispanic people bolshe chem nazvat ih Mexicanci kogda oni na samom dele iz drugoy strani, kak naprimer Honduras....tak chto ya somnevaus u vas est Mexicanci ili Hispanic friends tak kak vi opredelenno absolutno o nih nichego ne znaete...

[Mihail35]

Юлечка...у Вас в это в крови - спорить? Не завидую вашему мужу :-(...а про мексиканцев Вы первая начали...я просто народы южнее нас обобщил...и я же не мексиканцами говорю, а с русской! :-D :-D :-D

[Vladimir Tovk]

Зашитить Юлю... так ты Миша тоже спориш без остановки :-D
Шутка хорошая (если ты Республиканец ) , но она то только шутка! В реальности при Клинтоне в США было создано 22мил рабочих мест а при Буше .... 5 мил. Так что скорее Демократы работы тебе дадут чем Республиканцы.
... а McCain ... эту 20ку скорее всего вдолг у наших детеи взял!
National debt is 9.3 trilllion and 80% of it was accumuated under Republican trio Regan , Bush and Bush.
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***********.brillig.com/debt_clock/
Facts Misha ... facts... you can joke all you want but poverty rate under Bush is only rising. (and McCain will not be an exception he already flipped on tax cuts and other stuff) *
ох ..
1. да
2. да
3. нет

[Mihail35]

Спасибо Влад...ты хоть фактами орудуешь, а не простой демагогией, как некоторые ;-)
С тем что при Клинтоне экономика пошла вверх - факт...но экономика такая вещь которая идет как волна, то вверх, то в низ...так что при следуйщим призеденте (кем бы он не был), должно все пойти на верх ;-)

[Юлия Whod]

Mihail, eto gdez vi uchilis, chto podobnimi znaniyami ob economice oruduete? - chto kak raz pokazivaet yasno i chetko kto iz nas dvoih na samom dele demagog..grustno, Mihail to, chto vi ot neznania oshibochno ocenivaete realnost, vi na nee prosto glaza zakrivaete, i prikrivaetes tipichnoy Americanskoy frazoy (kotoroy kazdiy imigrant uchitsy v perviy den) - "Imeu pravo na moe lichnoe mnenie"... hotya zabivaete opyat ze ob elementarnom fakte - Everyone has a right for an opinion, not every opinion is right.

[Mihail35]

А я не говорю, что я прав...Just stating my opinion...by the way, what do you have against immgrants? Начинаеш. дискриминировать снова?... 8oI

[Vladimir Tovk]

Ну даваи Миша я еще хоть раз фактами прооперирую... :-D

why I would not vote for McCain ... how about "genious" .18c gas tax "Holiday" ?
How about he was against (fake middle class ) Bush capital gains tax cuts , now he is for them! This "middle class help" actually benefited only the top earners *- 13,776 Americans recieved 28.2% benefit of all the tax cuts with average tax cut of 1,876,280$. Which was one of the major contributions to the national debt! ***********.ctj.org/pdf/capgainsdivtaxcuts.pdf
You say it is cyclical? could have been a logical argument if it has not been 8 years already ! Do not you think it is about time to total up results? and no it is not a "wave" which "lives" on it is own ! When things got bad Bush gave 600$ checks to lower and middle class - not to the rich. Just proved that previous tax cuts were a freebie to ultra rich! So no, I do not want continuation of the failed policies.

[Юлия Whod]

Alex i Vitaliy ob'asnite pozaluysta pochemu McCain. i kak vam pri Bushe zivetsy esli ne sekret?

[Виталий Мэв]

Обьясняю.
Мне нравится политика республиканцев. Точнее сказать, мне не нравится политика демократов. Очень не нравится.
Я не хочу увеличения социальных программ (а в переводе на русских язык - разбазаривания денег на всякого рода тунеядцев) за счет налогов, которые я плачу. Я не считаю верным вывод войск из Ирака. По крайней мере в ближайшее время. Я не верю в то, что будет реформа здравоохранения, хотя бы потому, что она фантастическая и совершенно не исполнимая.. Я против повышения налогов богатым людям... Ну и так далее..
Мне не нравится лично Хиллари Клинтон, потому что она не имеет никакого политического опыта (спать с Президентом опытом не является..). Да и вызывает она у меня только негативные эмоции.
Барак Хуссейн Обама.. Сегодня голосовать за человека, имеющего middle name "Хуссейн" это просто нонсенс.
Поэтому, выбирая из двух зол (в данном случае из трех) я буду голосовать за МакКейна.

[Виталий Мэв]

Мне при Буше живется совершенно нормально. Мне и при Клинтоне жилось нормально. И при старшем Буше.

[Alex Dykh]

Pri Bushe mne zhivetsja (Y)
ja voobshe ne smotrjy kto president .. I just mind my own business .. a kto tam rukovodit .. mne vse ravno
ja i pri Klintone horosho zhil, i pri older Bushe, i pri Gorbacheve

[Mihail35]

Ура!!! Наконец-то республиканцы появились!!! А, то я один от всех тут отбивался!!! (Y) :-D

[Виталий Мэв]

Миша. (v)
Я не активный республиканец. Тем не менее, я вижу что лучше для моей страны!
К сожалению многие люди верят предвыборным обещаниям (которые, как мы знаем, никогда не выполняются)... А в том, чтоб придумывать разные сказки - равным демократам нет...

[Mihail35]

Виталий.
Снова с вами согласен. Республиканцы, то что говорят, то и делают, и не занимаются демагогией. А дермократы только разбазаривают деньги на разные социальные програмы. 8oI Поэтому в Америке столько людей на welfare. :-@ Оправить бы их в Сибирь, в тайгу на недельку поработать, может быть тогда эти бездельники узнали как зарабатывать на жизнь трудом!

[Larsen Lovs]

ZA RESPUBLICANCEV (v) (Y) (v) (Y)
DVUMJA RUKAMI
novyj leader immeet shansy.
kstati v otlichii ot predydyschix liderov : u negu otlichno postavlennjaja recch

[Юлия Whod]

pathetic.. people do you even know the history of this country? do you even care?? how blind can you be that you don't even see the today's reality? I would of voted for Hackubee if they would of let him to continue, I don't care if nominee is republican or democrat, I choose the best of options.. But McCain is an idiot! he already announced that if he is our next president we are going to stay in Iraq for at least another 4 years! Are you out of your mind to vote for him JUST BECAUSE he is a republican???! do you even look at the person behind the party or just pick the party and don't give a fff if he destroys the country??

[Юлия Whod]

spasibo Sergey!! ya bi golosovala za Edwards esli bi on bil bi v finale, nadeus esli proydet Obama, to Edwards budet vice-president. Alex, no you don't care, or you would of studied more about McCain, and Bush first. What you are missing is that elections are not just about you (my family does very well in our businesses under Bush as well) but it is about COUNTRY.. If you don't see what is going on right now you need to go back to school.

[Mihail35]

Юля...пожайлуста остожнее в выражениях...воспитанные девушки так не разговаривают.
Теперь по кандидатам:
1. John McCain - в большой политике он с 1982 года (the U.S. House of Representatives from Arizona), человек прошел войну во Вьетнаме, проведя даже некоторое время в плену (вы бы с вашей дермократической либеральностью явно бы там не выдержали). Он награжден такими наградами: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, and the Distinguished Flying Cross.
Вы можете найти больше инфо. на ***********.johnmccain.com/
2. Hillary Clinton - я очень вас прошу пойти на этот ее сайт https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/may13.html...она как всегда просит деньги 8oI (N)..подайте на пропитание..тьфу!
Плюс опыта политической работы у нее практически нет. Как правильно тут написал Виталий "спать с Президентом опытом не является".

[Mihail35]

3. Barak Obama - тоже самое, что у Клинтон ***********.barackobama.com/splash/donate/donate.html - денег просит. И как можно за Хуссейна голосавать после 9/11!!! Просто кощунство по отношению к погибщим в тот день людям!!! :'(

[STANISLAV Lovm]

KAK BI GRUSTNO MNE NEBILO V ETOM PRIZNATSYA NO KONDIDATA LUCHSHE CHEM MCCAIN NA SEGODNYA NET
MI V VOINE S LUDMI KOTORIE NIKOGDA NE UVAJALI I NE TERPELI JENSHIN TAK CHTO JENSHINA NAM NE PODHODIT
OBAMA SO SVOIMI SOCIALNIMI PROGRAMAMI MOJET TOLKO NAVREDIT ETO VSE NE GOVORYA O NEOPITNOSTI OBOIH
TAK CHTO METODOM ISKLUCHENIYA OSTAETSYA MCCAIN
EST HOT NADEJDA CHTO HUJE NE SDELAET

[Юлия Whod]

Mihail, voyna vo Vietname bila takim ze absurdom kak i voyna v Iraqe.. i esli vi znaete istoriu Americi, vi bi znali o tom chto Kennedy pitalsy ostanovit voynu, i LBJ, vkluchaya uchastie Busha starshego i CIA, i gruppu respublikansev neftyannikov ch'i sem'i do sih por pravyat stranoy ubili ego.. iz-za takih ludey kak vi, kotorie veryat vsem skazkam, chto pravitelstvo im rasskazivaet - t.e. kotorimi oni legko manipuliruut, im udalos izbezat dostoynogo nakazania. economica pod respublikanskim presidenstvom vsegda padala, i eto ne iz-za "naturalnih economicheskih voln" kak oni vam ob'yasnyaut (vo chto vi opyat ze naivno verite) a iz-za bestolkogogo pravlenia i rasporyazenia budjetom strani. McCain na segodnyashniy den - samiy HUDSHIY vibor dlya strani. on budet prodolzat delat vse to chto delal Bush - posle 8 let Busha - neuzeli za 8 let u vas glaza ne otkrilis?

[Alex Dykh]

Oh boy .. Julia ..
You dont have any facts ..
Just an empty rethoric
In the intellectual combat, you are really an unarmed civilian :-D

[Юлия Whod]

Alex, facts are everywhere, it's just a matter of you wanting to know the truth or choose to be a marionette..

[Mihail35]

Война во Вьетнаме была против коммунистического режима!!! В то время это было необходимо, так США теряли силу в той части Азии, а СССР ее наоборот набирал. И почемуто сейчас все чевствует ветеранов той войны, но никто не вспоминает придурков и наркоманов, которые кричали про мир.
Насчет Кеннеди, я уже говорил...никто никогда (в ближайщем будущем) не узнает всей правды. Кеннеди погиг за свои убеждения - может его нужно канонизировать? (sorry, black humor).
McCain на сегодняшний день самый сильный кандидат из трех (скоро будет двух, так как бабулька явно не тянет).
P.S. С глазами у меня, слава Богу, все ОК. 20/20...и, вообще, я когда-то чемпионом школы по стрельбе из мелкашки был (этот так, к слову о зрении)

[Виталий Мэв]

Julia...
1) I don't like the way you talk... Please, respect your opponents.. Otherwise you'll hear something the lady wouldn't like to hear...
2)Теперь я понял, что ты знаешь о войне в Ираке (ну и естественно разбираешься во внешней и внутренней политике Америки) больше всех нас... Что ты одна умная, а все, кто не согласны с тобой - pathetic.
Какой же смысл продолжать дискуссию? Оставляю тебе право на монолог. (v)
P.S. Bye.

[зорина садн]

historically Russian community always voted very conservative (republican). in this election i see some of them are not even supporting McCain since he is too moderate for them.

i do not think you can change their minds. they are very set in their ways no matter what the facts are.

Obama 08

[Mihail35]

Олег! Зачем тогда заходить, ведь если тема называется Hillary, Obama, or McCain and why? Vote here, то понятно о чем пойдет речь! (md) (sc)

[Mihail35]

Мы просто дискутируем по поводу предстоящих выборов, которые так или иначе коснутся всех!

[Юлия Whod]

Tatyana, vi voobshe v Canade i Kieve! kakoe vi to otnoshenie imeete k nashim viboram?? ya grazdanin 3 goda, a zivu zdes 9 let. i uz poverte pro Americu znau bolshe chem vi, takze kak i vi znaete pro Canadu bolshe chem ya.

[Юлия Whod]

s kakih eto por Russkoe obshestvo v Americe bilo otpisano respublikanskoy partiey? ne nado obobshat, pozaluysta.

[Юлия Whod]

Vitaliy, you don't like to hear what I have to say which is truth because truth hurts. Interesting how is that happened that I made you feel that I am smarter when I haven't said it once. I am sticking to the facts and so far I didn't hear one legitimate reason to vote for McCain vs Obama or Hillary for that matter, but the same

[Mihail35]

Русские всегда голосовали за республиканцев. Если вам это неизвестно, то вы НИЧЕГО не знаете об истории.
Особенно голосует за республиканцев верущая часть русскоязычного населения США (баптисты, пятидесятники, адвентисты, субботники, и т.д.), так как республиканцы в отличии от дермократов за брак только между женщиной и мужчиной, а не разрешать однополые браки, как хочет ваша любимая Hillary.

[Юлия Whod]

nu zdrasti, Mihail, i kto ze govorit o kommunizme??? ya dumala vi za ravnopravie na mnenie kazdogo v otdelnosti??? vi sami sebe protivorechite, v Americe k vashemu svedeniu millioni Russkih, i poverte mne na slovo NE KAZDIY vsegda golosoval za respublikancev.

[m m]

kto to moset obyasnit PRINCIPIALNUY rasnicy mesdu kandidatami...po vozmosnosti kratko i bes "vodu"

[Larsen Lovs]

V KRATCE :-) THE DIFFERENCE:
HILLARY- ZENSCHINA,
OBAMA-TEMNYJ,
McCAIN - RESPUBLICANEC

[Mihail35]

жизнь и опыт - самые лучшие ресурсы!...ведь я живу в США почти вдвое больше чем вы!
А официальной статистики кто за кого голосует (русские, китайцы, и так далее) просто не существует

[Юлия Whod]

Maxim, samaya elementarnaya raznica:
esli vi hotite eshe 4 goda Bushevskogo stilya pravlenia gosudarstvom - to McCain vash vibor. esli vi hotite pozitivnih izmeneniy v problemnih rayonah nashih sistem: obrazovaniya, sdravoohraneniya, economici, voennih strategiy, borbi s globalnim potepleniem, odnim slovom - hot kakih-to sdvigov v pozitivnom napravlenii dlya strani - to vash vibor Obama ili Hillary. vibor mezdu Hillary i Obama teper ne ot nas zavisit, a vot vibor mezdu McCainom i odnim iz democratov v itoge - zavisit ot nas.

[Юлия Whod]

Mihail, togda kakim eto obrazom vi prishli k vivodu chto bolshinstvo russkih golosovalo vsegda za respublikancev? vi sluchayno sami lichno so vsemi i kazdim v otdelnosti russkim v Americe znakomi?

[m m]

ny rasnicy mesdy Clinton i ostalnumi ya ponal :-D
to cto vse xotat procvetaniya i td i tp tose ponatno..ya poka ne ponal kak? celi u vsex odinakovue a puti dostiseniua kakie...
cto kasetsa kto dolse zivet. :-D :-D togda umnee vsex 20 letnii podrostok kotorogo suda v 1 mec privesli

[Mihail35]

Мое мнение (никому не навязываю):
1. Hillary - женщина которая влезла в политику, и ничего там не понимает. За пределами США (особенно в арабских и латиноамериканских странах) ее просто не будут воспринимать всерьез. Плюс, она ужастный либерал. "Liberalism i s a mental disorder" (Michael Savage)
2. Obama - "...help is coming...", "...it will get better.." - все это просто слова. Как можно доверять арабу??? После 9/11 голосовать за Хуссейна просто кощунство.
3. McCain - республиканец и тверд в своих позициях. Он не обещает того что не сможет сделать.
Это вкратце.

[m m]

eto dostatocno obsie sayvleniya..to cto seisas ploxo mu xotim cto bu bulo lutse i td...
kak Demokratu sobirautsa resat problemu Iraka? vusokix cen na energo nositeli.. to cto rabochie mesta uxodat sa granicy?
gde budyt bratsa $$$$ na realizaciy?

[Mihail35]

Слава Богу, знакомых и друзей у меня очень много! У каждого из них свое мнение по этому поводу (которое я уважаю). А насчет подсчета...у нас в городе вторая в США community верущих людей (русскоговорящих)...в Metro Area их около 80,000, и те из них, кто будет голосовать будут голосовать только за республиканцев!

[m m]

1. Kakie kriterii dla togo cto bu opredelit ponimaet chelovek iv politike ili net?
2. Rasgovaruauv ne senzinoi ili myschunoi a s PRESIDENTOM USA..tak cto budyt i vosprinimay i govorit
3. Navernaka mosno naiti citaty po povody respublikancev:)
4.doverat araby?? Obama -mysylmanin? A doverat irladncy ili evereu?
Saudovkaya Araviau strategicheskii partner US. 8 ili 9 is 9/11 terroristov buli is Saudoskoi aravii.. po moemy takogo ponatiya v politike ne sysectvuet ..
5. Tverdost ne vsegda polesna.. mir postoyanno menaetsa...
A cto McCain moset sdelat? prodolsit kurs Busha?

[Оксана Манаст]

К сожеланию, выбор не важнецкий, поэтому голосовать надо с умом. Просто с каждым годом все больше походит на театр.
Кстати, не хочу никому ничвего навязывать. Демократы меня саму разочаровали так сказать, но МаКейн может стать "мстительным" и как Буш накидываться на все страны подряд без разбору. Вы не зобывайте, ведь он был в плену, его мучали - это отражается на психике и на будущейц вшен. политике, если его выбирут. А на счет большинства русских, кот. голосуют за Респ., то ведь выборы определятся не подавляющим большинством, а штата Нью-Йорк, как правило за демократов голосует (см. электоральный колледж).
Удачи всем после 2008 года!

[Mihail35]

McCain может и продолжит, и не вижу в этом ничего плохого. Конечно у Буша были ошибки, но у Клинтона они тоже были (бомбежка Югославии (N)). Почему Буша обвиняют во всех смертных грехах? Нашли крайнего? Глупо... :-(

[Оксана Манас]

Нет, кого же еще пинать, если не преза? Секретаря по обороне же он давно уволил...

[Оксана Мана]

Больше всего мне нравился Рон Пол (Ron Paul), жаль что его республиканцы не поддержали...

[m m]

to est mosno stavit v odin rad bombesku Yogslavii i voinu v Irake????? Yugoslavia oboslas v pary sbitux bespilotnikov..:)))

[Виталий Мэв]

"Vitaliy, you don't like to hear what I have to say which is truth because truth hurts. Interesting how is that happened that I made you feel that I am smarter when I haven't said it once."
Julie...
No, sweetheart. I didn't like what you said, because you have no manners. And your way to keep discussion is rude.
You didn't make me feel that you're smarter... It was pure sacrasm... Sadly enough your ability to understand said sacrasm explains why you can't understand simple things about democrats and republicans.

[Vladimir Tovk]

Interesting , main agitation about Democrats is social programs.








But, I can bet that any of you disliking it either have used some
kind of social program or have a close relative (parents , grand
parents ) on some kind of social program. ... be honest.




On McCain ... he is clueless on economy - he admitted himself and the recent .18 savings on gas is the proof.




Military service ? I respect it , but being a captain in the Navy is
not making you far ahead civilian and finishing Naval Academy 5th
from the bottom out of almost 900 cadets is not a plus either. BTW
commander in chief is a civilian post for a reason. (N)

[m m]

mne zalko 3000+pogibsish v Irake...tak sa cto mu tam vouem?
ni k ugoslava( takoi nacionalnosti net) ni k arabam simpatii ne isputauvay

[Виталий Мэв]

К сожалению все военные действия уносят жизни...
Опять же, при республиканцах гибнем меньше американских солдат. И это еще одна причина почему я буду голосовать за республиканца МакКейна.
Для недоверчивых ссылка - report published by Congressional Research Service at: ***********.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

[Vladimir Tovk]

вычитал *ответ Виталия... аргумент! *идеологично!
Социлальние программы? * * * * * * * * * Перезадам вопрос - *а твои родители, бабушки *не на социале? *В колледже ты гранты *получал? *Работу когда нибудь терял и unemployment получал? *и тд и тп * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Смежая тема а че насчет corporate wefare? Bear Stearns got YOURS AND MY *money ... 30billion *of *"change"! * BETWEEN TWO THERE WILL ALWAYS BE WELFARE ! *Democrats will give it to the people *and Republicans will give it *to big corporation - *your choice. *I do not care much about big corporations. * * * * * * * * * * * *Iraq? *It has been 5 years ... do not you think it is about the time to tally up results. McCain wants to stay untill 2013 *= 120 * 5 = *600 billion ... *plus 100 billion in interest more or less (since were are under "borrow and spend" administartion ) * * * so the verdict is 700billion vs social *programs ... * hmmm tough choice *:-D

[Vladimir Tovk]

Виталий! Я падаю со стула ! Совет, прежде чем ты делаеш сноски на
саиты, проверь или они абсолютно противоположны твоему мнению!
"The e-mail, entitled, "Some very interesting statistics: Military losses, 1980 through

2006," states that more U.S. service members died on active duty during the eight years
of the Clinton administration, when there were no major U.S. military conflicts, than in
the first six years of the George W. Bush administration, during which the military was

fighting two large-scale wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.... There's just
one problem: The figures listed in the email are wrong. They vary
markedly
from the figures published in the cited CRS source document." <b>ЛОЛ :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D (B) (D) just hilarious! </b>

[Vladimir Tovk]

Последний штрих для Виталика... McCain's healthcare plan is to give you (and me) 5,000 health care deduction which would amount to 5000*0.35 = 1750 (best scenario) savings , but that would mean your job would most likely stop health benefits, since the corporate tax credits will expire ... ok let me give my example - I would have to pay instead of 300$ a month 1000$ a month 700*12= 8400 ok! I saved 1750 , but lost 8400 - net loss 6650!
I know that I am not voting for economics illiterate McCain.

[Vladimir Tovk]

Женя .. "all of them morons" ... disagree Obama BTW got magna cum laude from Harvard. This is not given part of affirmative action, do not you think? McCain navy academy class rank was 894 out of 899. Hmmmmm... tough choice on moron claim.

[Юлия Whod]

Vitaliy, specialno dly vas:
statistica predstavlena na 1 maya 2008 goda:
<h2>4,064 US Soldiers Killed, 29,829 Seriously Wounded</h2>
Spent & Approved War-Spending - About $600 billion of US taxpayers'
funds. President Bush has requested about $200 billion more for 2008,
which would bring the cumulative total to close to $800 billion.


U.S. Monthly Spending in Iraq - $12 billion in 2008


U.S. Spending per Second - $5,000 in 2008 (per Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on May 5, 2008)


Cost of deploying one U.S. soldier for one year in Iraq - $390,000

[Юлия Whod]

there is more statistics:

Missing - $1 billion in tractor trailers, tank recovery vehicles,
machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and other equipment and
services provided to the Iraqi security forces. (Per CBS news on december 6, 2007)


Mismanaged & Wasted in Iraq - $10 billion, per Feb 2007 Congressional hearings


Halliburton Overcharges Classified by the Pentagon as Unreasonable and Unsupported - $1.4 billion

Amount paid to KBR, a former Halliburton division, to supply U.S.
military in Iraq with food, fuel, housing and other items - $20 billion


Portion of the $20 billion paid to KBR that Pentagon auditors deem "questionable or supportable" - $3.2 billion


Number of major U.S. bases in Iraq - 75

[Юлия Whod]

McCain obyavil vchera - ego fantazii o gode 2013: veroyatnost vivoda voysk iz Iraqa "s pobedoy" (znachit mi tam budem do 2013 - eto tochno, i esli ne "pobedyat" to i dolshe voyna protyanetsy), pravda on vidimo uze segodny ne nadeetsy na extra 4 goda presidenstva, poetomu i fantaziruet ne dalshe 2013 goda....tak chto kto mozet eto vse ispravit?

[Vladimir Tovk]

Таня это не из трех а из двух - Демократ или Республиканец. А ответ - Демократ.
Республиканцы как Комунисты - все как один , линия партии держится строго.

[Stan Dis]

Not really excited about any of the candidates, but McCain is way closer to the center then Hillary or Obama. Obama has been voted the most leftist senator by the National Journal. Not to mention his 20 year membership the racist Trinity Church. Hillary is a carpetbagger who'll say anything, but even she's more reasonable then Obama. Outof the three - McCain is the clear choice here. (Y)

[Юлия Whod]

hahaha! are you talking about Massona Sculls or about Scull and Bones secret club of Harvard??? so, for your information BOTH parties had members from that group - republicans AND democrats.

[Vladimir Tovk]

Женя , ти же их моронами назyвал а не policy discussed.
Obama/Clinton will try to get us out of Iraq - 120 billion per year saved. How about that? They will also promote renuable energy - which will get us out of oil dependancy, not McCain's 18 cents "Holiday" *. Granted Clinton f%* up there , but at least she wanted to pay for it.

[Юлия Whod]

Guys, wanna new subject for a forum? (besides this one - this one is a priority!), turn on your tv on CNN Larry King Live right now..

[Vladimir Tovk]

oh, you mean you are parroting Bush on appeaser remark?
may be you wanna tell us what it means?
***********.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/15/matthews-rips-right-wing-talkie-kevin-james-because-he-doesnt-know-neville-chamberlain/

[Юлия Whod]

Eugene, FOLLOW THE NEWS, we are running out of oil to begin with! that
is why that war took place to begin with! we reached "PICK OIL" and
next is coming one of the two things - or we react smart and fast and
switch to renewable energy (which even lobbies knows it's inevitable
sooner or later), or we go down with our economy and get in to all
kinds of wars in the middle east, which if we have McCain for a
president, mark my word we will be in Iran next, by the end of the next
year.

[Юлия Whod]

Eugene, I do see that McCain is not the person to fix the problem. and
that a
start. Obama or Hillary will attempt to make changes, and the next
after them will actually make a difference because he/she will have a
better foundation after Obama or Hillary.
about Pick Oil, if you do a search for that
term you can find a lot of information about that.. subject is
controversial, so I personally don't know what to think, but when you
study all the wars and oil prices today and economy all around the world, you begin to see the puzzle
fits that info perfectly.. (well global warming was controversial just
about 3-4
years ago as well..) so, don't discount that possibility just yet.

[Stan Disyot]

vladimir, riiiiight, because I just found out who Chamberlain was last week That's a laugh. Why you linking me to a liberal blog, anyway? Can't you speak for yourself?

[Виталий Мэв]

Для Владимира:
"Социлальние программы? Перезадам вопрос - а твои родители, бабушки не
на социале? В колледже ты гранты получал? Работу когда нибудь терял и
unemployment получал? и тд и тп"
1. Нет. У меня в семье нет никого на "социале". Моей маме 70 лет и она прекрасно работает, а не тянет пособие из твоих и моих денег. У нас в семье вообще не принято попрошайничать.
2. Нет. Я не занимался в колледже. Когда я приехал, мне надо было кормить семью... И на велфере я не был (это так, на всякий случай).
3. Я терял работу, но сразу устраивался на другую. Без получения [unemployment]. Правда это было давно..
У тебя еще есть вопросы?

[Stan Disyo]

Vladimir T, "В реальности при Клинтоне..." ok, I'll bite. Which of the Clinton's policies are responsible for all those good things you gave him credit for. Heh... This should be good. :-D

[Виталий Мэв]

телось бы еще добавить.. Слава Б_гу мы живем в Америке, а не в странах бывшего СССР. Там, при перемене власти, курс страны может повернуться на 180 градусов. Здесь при смене Президента не меняется как внешнеполитический курс, так и внутренняя политика. Точнее изменения минимальны... Предвыборная борьба заключается в двух основных пунктах: кто расскажет сказку интереснее и у кого окажется меньше скелетов в шкафу... Поэтому кто бы не стал Президентом... из Ирака мы не уйдем, потому что большей глупости придумать нельзя... И реформы здравоохранения не будет. Потому что нет ни одного реального плана... Потому что если бы ее можно было провести, то ее уже давно провели бы.. И кто бы не стал Президентом, при нем экономика постепенно пойдет вверх, но не потому, что он хороший Президент, а потому что это будет наследием политики нынешней руководящей партии - республиканской. Точно так же, как и спад, который мы имеем является результатом правления демократов...

[Виталий Мэв]

Потому что экономика не скачет вверх-вниз за один день, а падает или поднимается постепенно.. И так далее...

Вобще я бы голосовал за Джулиани... Жаль, что он не вытянул... :(

[Юлия Whod]

Eugene,
but if Pick Oil is truth there the answer for your questions. You mentioned "when we will start getting oil out of Alaska" - well I just watched today geography documentary film and they and found out that we are drilling in Alaska for 30 years now and running out of oil there very fast. Matter fact oil companies spending billions of $ for new technologies for machinery called "get oil till last drop" - which gets into last reserves (some only 2 feet thick!) to get oil out of there.. I call that an act of desperation.. Alaska responsible for 20% of used oil in all US. if we are at the Pick Oil we definitely have to vote for democrats because they are the ONLY party that will lead us to the change to renewable energy. Republicans will only lead us to more wars over the oil and final crash of economy.

[Юлия Whod]

like I said before many times, I would of voted for Edwards or Hackubee in a second if press would of allowed them to be in the final election. It doesn't matter if person democrat or republican to me. But of today between McCain and democrats there is a clear choice for me - Obama or Hillary but NOT McCain as McCain will do everything the same as Bush for last 8 years. I am not offended in any way as am not a housewife. I work day and night for our businesses which are long far from being businesses for women.. I deal with men (builders, contractors - and trust me - they are as tough as bulldogs) in our businesses every day on the same level. If you drive on 10 thru texas you will see thousands of acres of land with mountains covered with huge wind towers.

[Юлия Whod]

In Dallas I see many businesses installing wind towers. We are changing all of our heavy equipment at our stone quarry to greece instead of diesel. I am ordering wind and solar towers for the quarry and for the stoneyard in Dallas this month. If only people understood how easy it is and wanted a change - we all can do it.. and if our next president motivate people in that direction it would help a lot. Gore was one person who could of done it 8 years ago, but they took his election away from him, ones again because of oil as Pick Oil was predicted 30 years ago to fall on 1990-2010. Now we have to fix it by choosing the right person or we will fail as a nation due to the reliance and addiction to oil.

[Виталий Мэв]

Америка все равно выберет Президента примерно половиной голосов. А это значит, что через 4 года.. 50% населения будет разочаровано, а другие 50% будут жалеть, что их кандидат не прошел...
Вне зависимости от того, кого выберут...

[Юлия Whod]

Vitaliy, vse zavisit ot togo kakie budut rezultati, ya ne ozidau globalnh izmeneniy za pervie 4 goda, t.k. eto slishkom slozno - no ya ozidau postroiki fundamenta dlya novih ozmeneniy, kotorie sleduushiy president (ili tot ze) prodolzit cherez v 2013.. no esli proydet McCain to nichego krome bolshe voin, sgublennoy economiki i vishe cen na neft mi ne uvidim..

[Vladimir Tovk]

Виталий , I guess you made up your mind despise any argument ... at least you are not bringing fake statistics on soldiers dying more under Democrat! "Президент, а потому что это будет наследием политики нынешней
руководящей партии - республиканской. Точно так же, как и спад, который
мы имеем является результатом правления демократов..." ;-)

[Виталий Мэв]

Юля, каждый из нас уверен в своей правоте... И его правота основана на его знаниях, опыте и т.д. И ни один из нас не переубедит другого...
Я уже говорил и повторюсь... Обама или Клинтон на сегодняшний день намного хуже для Америки, чем Маккейн. Вот такое у меня мнение...
А кто будет Президентом, мы увидим через 4 года..

[Виталий Мэв]

<h2 class="images" style="font-weight: normal;">P.S. Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics...</h2>Even if you win, you're still retarded.

[Виталий Мэв]

Таня, передай пожалуйста своему мужу пожелания здоровья, счастья и успехов в работе.
И тебе тоже!
:)

[Vladimir Tovk]

Виталий , the feeling is mutual, posting a site link which directly contradicts your argument is funny! (problem you were not joking) (N)

[Юлия Whod]

polnost'u soglasna s Vladimirom, Bitaliy vi tolko viskazivaete svoe mnenie, a faktov dlya argumenta ne privodite nikakih, kotorie bi podderzali vashe mnenie.. Tatyana, voobshe v svoem soobshenie na moy lichniy profile obozvala Ameriku Canadskoy b... k tomu ze ona iz Canadi, i protivorechit svoim ze slovam na kazdom shagu - ee mnenie nikto krome vas (t.k. ona prodolzaet vam podsipat komplimenti) v ser'ez ne vosprinimaet (ona etogo ne zasluzila). esli hotite znat ee nastoyashee mnenie ob Americe i Rossii - pishite mne, ya vam s udovolstviem pereshlu eto soobshenie - sami mozete ubeditsy kakaya lichnost kakogo urovnya obrazovania na VASHEY storone argumenta.. perelestnite stranichki 4-5 nazad na forume i pochitayte statistiku o voyne.

[Юлия Whod]

Vitaliy v etom to i smisl argumenta.. esli vi schitaete bessmislennim razgovarivat na temu na forume - zachem vi togda suda zahodite i pishite? nikto ne pitaetsy pereubedit vas lichno esli vi etogo sami ne zelaete - eto vashe lichnoe delo.. ludi kto chitaet i nichego ne pishet - oni delaut svoi vivodi - i kto-to menyaet svoe mnenie v odnu ili druguu storonu, kto-to net.. i kstati kto budet sleduushim presidentom mi uznaem v noyabre etogo goda, a ne 2013 godu...

[Виталий Мэв]

"А кто будет Президентом, мы увидим через 4 года.." Это описка. Конечно в ноябре.

[Vladimir Tov]

Stan, sorry you have allergy for liberal blogs, would it have been
beter if I posted a youtube link? Do not shoot the messenger! You
bought Chamberlain to reiterate "Democrats are appeasers" statement ,
hence my link on what is exactly appeasing. BTW Senator in the analogy
brought by Bush was actually ...... Republican . What do you know! on Clinton... how about Omnibus Spending Bill which cut taxes for lower class and increased for the top 1.2% while implementing spending restraints. FYI spending under Clinton rose less then 3% a year under Bush more then 7% a year.

[Vladimir Tovk]

but to be truthful, I doubt Obama will go through, Clinton would have had a better choice. Sad, that people would vote for Bush the second. (maverick my ass :-D)

[Vladimir Tov]

and if Gore were the president , I bet we would not have been in Iraq
now, despite the fact that some Dems voted for it (note the was a
sizable vote against)... so do you still think there would not be a
difference . Current oil prices are influenced by Iraq, Iran
instability and 800+ billion direct cost of it. Never mind tax cut
for the ultra rich! When sh&T hit the fan Bush gave tax cut to
lower and middle class (stimulus), not an additional capital gains give
away.

[Юлия Whod]

is that masquito flying around forum again? oh, it's Tatyana with her brilliant ideas about secret clubs of Harvard (which she doesn't even knows correct names for or their history)...

[Юлия Whod]

sorry...just couldn't help... she called me all kinds of names...and didn't apologize...

[Славик Саж]

:-@ :-@ :-@ :-@
I can't be watching you all night long
SO PLAY NICE...........ALL of you
8oI 8oI 8oI 8oI

[зорина сад]

i can not imagine how you think tha bushes (mccain) will get the 3rd term. 81% of the people think we are on the wrong term, bushes approval rating hit 31% .
obama had a well oiled machnie. look at what he did to clinton family.
sveta do not take comments too personal, since i do not want to receive hate mail from you. but you need to stop saying that politics is for men only it is deamining. where are you from dark ages? are you saying that women can not think for themselves and can not have opinions about politics. my last question since "we can not play politics" so everything you are writiing has been dicated by your man?

[зорина сад]

sorry not sveta i meant tanya.
also please do not use caps. the internet etiquette tells us to write in caps if we need to shout or scream. unless you are really screamimg at everyone to be heard.

[Юлия Whod]

info from Obama's website: Cap and Trade: Obama supports implementation of a
market-based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions by the
amount scientists say is necessary: 80 percent below 1990 levels by
2050. Obama's cap-and-trade system will require all pollution credits
to be auctioned. A 100 percent auction ensures that all polluters pay
for every ton of emissions they release, rather than giving these
emission rights away to coal and oil companies. Some of the revenue
generated by auctioning allowances will be used to support the
development of clean energy, to invest in energy efficiency
improvements, and to address transition costs, including helping
American workers affected by this economic transition. ***********.barackobama.com/issues/energy/

[Юлия Whod]

from the same page: Invest $150 Billion over 10 Years in Clean Energy:
Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next
generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the
commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of
commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in low-emissions coal plants,
and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid. A principal
focus of this fund will be devoted to ensuring that technologies that
are developed in the U.S. are rapidly commercialized in the U.S. and
deployed around the globe.

[Stan Disyo]

Julia, cutting and pasting from the candidate's website press release? That's a laugh! (fr)

[Larsen Lovs]

was frightened to pop in the forum.... :-D

Do you guy really sent revengeble mails to each other if points of view do not coinside?

[Юлия Whod]

on the same issue from McCain website (no real plans or promises): He has offered common sense approaches to limit carbon emissions by
harnessing market forces that will bring advanced technologies, such as
nuclear energy, to the market faster, reduce our dependence on foreign
supplies of energy, and see to it that America leads in a way that
ensures all nations do their rightful share.

[Юлия Whod]

Stan, do you have something to say or you here just to run your mouth? And what is wrong with you people sending messages to my profile all the time?? Stan, Vitaliy, Tatyana!! keep it IN THE FORUM!

[Stan Disy]

Julia, rightful share? How many of the countries that sign Kyoto protocols actually reduced their emissions as promised? I don't buy into this global warming hype, anyway. Another one of the left's bogeymen.

[Stan Dis]

julia, my apology abouto sending the msg to you personally. Wasn't my intent, I am just used on writing messages from that menu that pops over your photo vs. the dobavit' button. Anyway, I don't think "having something useful to say" is constituted by cutting and pasting from your candidate's PR.

[Юлия Whod]

Stan, bring some facts on the table.. anything, just about anything! or do not waste my time and do not address to me.

[Stan Dis]

Julia, I asked you a question. How many nations that signed the Kyoto protocols actually complined with what outlined in there? You haven't answered, yet you pretend to deal in facts? Are you into empty promises and resolutions?

[Юлия Whod]

Stan, to your question: here is one of the countries you need to study
- Brazil... I didn't take time to do research for every country, I am
sure there more out of 179 of them.. We are responsible for ourselves.
And the fact that you didn't take time to learn more about global
warming is just a proof of your laziness or carelessness.

[Юлия Whod]

Eugene is right it is like awakened giant.. the only thing is if we
just make a switch to a renewable energy and all of the machinery and
auto industries will have to make changes, just takes US, UK, Germany
(I don't have much hopes for Russia - they totally ignore the problem),
Japan and China - and we there, everyone else will have to follow.
Which country got biggest market for cars? is it hard to realize? if we
make switch everyone else will HAVE TO follow.

[Larsen Lovs]

Julja said: on the same issue from McCain website .........., reduce our dependence on foreign
supplies of energy, and see to it that America leads in a way that
ensures all nations do their rightful share.
how he is gonna reduce our dependence on foreign supplies of energy.....

it sounds like electioneer worgs only....is there something more certain what could confirm that?

[Stan Dis]

Julia, Brazil, as a developing nation, was not required to meet any targets as established by the Kyoto Protocols. Try again. And I've learned plenty about the global warming, just as I have about the looming ice age that was all the rage in the 1970's. *-)

[Юлия Whod]

Sviatlana, that is the point.. there is none... he is not giving us an
exact plan, he just saying what people want to hear.. he uses lines
which he can twist around later.. Obama and Hillary got huge long pages
on the issue, McCain got very few paragraphs with no plans.. If you look at the next page I posted Obama's ideas from his site.

[Stan Dis]

Julia, that's because global warming is not a big part of his platform. A fact that appeals to his voters. (Y)

[Stan Dis]

Julia, what's even a bigger laugh is that you didn't even read my question. I didn't ask how many nations signed the Kyoto protocols, I asked many of them actually complied with what was outlined in there. Seriously, your inabilitiy to comprehend what's written in plain English" is just a proof of your laziness or carelessness. " :-D

[Юлия Whod]

Stan, sure he doesn't have any plans for that, because he will not
have MONEY for that, as he will stay in Iraq till 2013 minimum
(according to his personal fantasies he shared with us couple of days
ago) and we will continue spending $5000 or more per second on the war
(not including Afghanistan and potentially Iran - which will be over oil
again)..

[Юлия Whod]

Wait a minute Stan, so now you are saying Brazil didn't comply with
protocol? do you even take a time to google Brazil - it is a leader in
renewable energy right now..(in case you didn't know or don't know how
to use google)...By the way China is on it's way, they work really hard
on wind and solar power technology. They claim they will be a leader in
a few years..

[Stan Disy]

Julia, I am saying that Brazil, or rather what's Koyoto protocol is saying, is that Brazil, as a developing nation did not have targets to meet, or, in other words, comply. As for Brazil's ethanol venture, that's great! Does wonders for corn prices, not to mention all the slave labor they import to fuel the renewable energy boom. Once again, when the rich, elitist leftists at the top decide that they are bored and need a new pet project - its the poor that pay. As for China, wow, "They claim", that's great! They claim! I mean if China says so.... But I am still waiting for you to tell me which country that signed Koyoto actually complied with meeting the targets as outlined in the protocol. What's the matter. Having trouble finding 1?

[Юлия Whod]

your-welcome, Sviatlana.. Have a nice day everyone, I will be back....after weekend....Stan, Mihail and Vitaliy - you have some time to do some research.. see you Monday...

[Stan Dis]

Julia, still waiting for you to come up with just one country that met its targets. Have a good weekend!

[Larsen Lovs]

Okay, boys & girls, Ladies & Gentlemen,,,
Pumpshotgun is awaken & pulled me to the shore
Saturday morning,,,,
HAVE A WONDERFUL WEEKEND EVERY :-D BODY !

[Виталий Мэв]

"your-welcome, Sviatlana.. Have a nice day everyone, I will be
back....after weekend....Stan, Mihail and Vitaliy - you have some time
to do some research.. see you Monday..."
No, I don't have to, sweety. You're not an opponent. You're entertainer... ;) If you know what I mean..;)
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

[Larsen Lovs]

wow, I did not realize i was the beholder :-D on the perfomance...
upps, sorry. Hope ,folk, you don not take everything personaly.
..vanished in air ....

[Vladimir Tovk]

Stan /Eugine latest (2005) list of countries that met did not meat is
here ********en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kyoto36-2005.png mostly EU
(I am ignoring soviet block) Now the problem of Kyoto is Global
markets , meaning if you want to stay competitive you have to apply
standards across the board. China and India have a point they have one
of the lowest emissions per capita - solution is technology. Just
you have to be willing to invest in it. Democrats vs McCain on this
is to push environmental standards on trade vs "same old"; Require fuel efficiency vs "nucular power".
You are talking about Obama/Clinton as if they can not be messiahs!
And THE ARE NOT messiahs, but they will move in the right direction, as
oppose to Republicans "Same old".

[Vladimir Tovk]

BTW McKenzie study showed that energy efficiency is ECONOMICALLY
beneficial. Sweden actually is the best proof of it, met Kyoto
and had an outstanding GDP growth.

[Vladimir Tov]

Question to Stan , you do not believe in climate change and think that it is paranoia like "global cooling" . Can you post at least one scientific source predicting global cooling in 70s or otherwise? (My point all of it was just media spooks which quickly died out, not science )

[Юлия Whod]

Eugene, you may don't see it in a big Chicago - maybe too busy to see it, but if you take a drive around country you can see a lot of people began to use solar and wind energy. and if we had cars offered to us which use green oils don't you think we would of purchased them instead.. let's say bmw or dodge offer us something like this? which is not hard to do for them, they can switch overnight, but they don't because we still buying their cars as it is (I have 740I myself, I love bmw), we still buying gas that tripled in price because we "have to" and a lot of people like Mihail and Vitaliy still wants to vote for the candidate whom paid off by oil lobbies...

[Юлия Whod]

that would be the only reason why it could be just "dream", but if we have right president to get us out of Iraq and start spending more money on renewable energy, if president motivates people and lead industries by reflecting his ideas on our budget properly which leads to moving industries to the right direction, which leads consumer to buy right products which leads to other countries market to adapt to the changes as well.. we all connected one way or another with other countries - some buy, some produce... if we order from China new products - they will produce them, if we buy efficient cars - they will produce them for us.. it's all comes down to over all program where everyone is included - from people like you and me to a president who leads it all.

[Amos]

Yulya, you need to consider bigger factors the so called "necessary evil" for example:
1. Out of Iraq ? Do you know how many people are employed today in this country thats to Iraq ? Do you know how powerful our stratigic position is in the Middle East ?
2. Renewable energy. Yulya ? All the people with this new energy that are employed by ExonMobile, shell, KeySpan, etc and who will loose their jobs due to cut backs, who is going to pay them ? You ?
3. Global Warming is the world's createst hoax. There is something to it, but it is more natural then us.
We need more tax cuts. We need to start digging in Alaska for Oil, Iraq is fine, it will pay for itself.
McCain is the only choice (not much of a choice).

[Mihail35]

I don't have to do research...you can do that on your own Julia...я никому не навязываю свое мнение...Go Republicans!!! Долой дермократов! :-D

[Vladimir Tovk]

"я никому не навязываю свое мнение...Go Republicans!!! Долой дермократов! "
could havе been in анекдоты форум

[Юлия Whod]

Funny, anyone I spoke in Texas to (hispanics, blacks, white - American
born or immigrants) - every one so far was against Bush and/or McCain
and will vote
for democrats... No matter what you say here guys, I just don't see how
McCain can get over what Bush put us through.. Roman, we are looking for
workers! I have jobs to offer! seriously, do you think if we are going
to make a change to renewable energy you think it will happen overnight?
it will take at least 20-30 years don't you think? by that time new
jobs will be created by new industries.. as well as we will have chance
for a real FREE market for energy instead of monopoly we have now..

[Юлия Whod]

Roman, here some info for you, I know exacly how many people working in Iraq vs amounts of dead solders as well:


<b>US SPENDING IN IRAQ</b>

Spent & Approved War-Spending - About $600 billion of US taxpayers'
funds. President Bush has requested about $200 billion more for 2008,
which would bring the cumulative total to close to $800 billion.


U.S. Monthly Spending in Iraq - $12 billion in 2008


U.S. Spending per Second - $5,000 in 2008 (per Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on May 5, 2008)


Cost of deploying one U.S. soldier for one year in Iraq - $390,000

[Юлия Whod]

Lost & Unaccounted for in Iraq - $9 billion of US taxpayers' money
and $549.7 milion in spare parts shipped in 2004 to US contractors.
Also, per ABC News, 190,000 guns, including 110,000 AK-47 rifles.

Missing - $1 billion in tractor trailers, tank recovery vehicles,
machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and other equipment and
services provided to the Iraqi security forces. (Per CBS News on Dec 6, 2007.)


Mismanaged & Wasted in Iraq - $10 billion, per Feb 2007 Congressional hearings


Halliburton Overcharges Classified by the Pentagon as Unreasonable and Unsupported - $1.4 billion

Amount paid to KBR, a former Halliburton division, to supply U.S.
military in Iraq with food, fuel, housing and other items - $20 billion


Portion of the $20 billion paid to KBR that Pentagon auditors deem "questionable or supportable" - $3.2 billion


Number of major U.S. bases in Iraq - 75

[Юлия Whod]

<b>TROOPS IN IRAQ</b>


Iraqi Troops Trained and Able to Function Independent of U.S. Forces - 6,000 as of May 2007 <i>(per NBC's "Meet the Press" on May 20, 2007)</i>

Troops in Iraq - Total 164,891, including 155,000 from the US, 4,500
from the UK, 2,000 from Georgia, 900 from Poland, 650 from South Korea
and 1,841 from all other nations

US Troop Casualities - 4,064 US troops; 98% male. 90% non-officers; 80%
active duty, 12% National Guard; 74% Caucasian, 10% African-American,
11% Latino. 18% killed by non-hostile causes. 51% of US casualties were
under 25 years old. 70% were from the US Army

[Юлия Whod]

<b>IRAQI TROOPS, CIVILIANS & OTHERS IN IRAQ</b>


Private Contractors in Iraq, Working in Support of US Army Troops - More than 180,000 in August 2007, per The Nation/LA Times.


Journalists killed - 127, 84 by murder and 43 by acts of war


Journalists killed by US Forces - 14


Iraqi Police and Soldiers Killed - 8,219

Iraqi Civilians Killed, Estimated - A UN issued report dated Sept 20,
2006 stating that Iraqi civilian casualities have been significantly
under-reported. Casualties are reported at 50,000 to over 100,000, but
may be much higher. Some informed estimates place Iraqi civilian
casualities at over 600,000.

[Юлия Whod]

Roman, Read statistics and tell me after that if war in Iraq is "ok".. it's
easy for you to sit in the office and run your mouth when mothers burying
their kids, think for a second if you would of been there in Iraq for
just one day yourself, I bet you would of changed your mind...

[Виталий Мэв]

Global warming..:):):)
All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate
Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies
in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote
Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007.
This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and
it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon
recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.
***********.theaustralian.news<wbr />.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376<wbr />-7583,00.html
P.S. What a disappointment for Al Gore..:( :)

[Виталий Мэв]

Юля, извини, что я тебе не ответил на твое сообщение мне в моем профайле. Я очень хотел бы ограничить нашу переписку этим форумом. Пожалуйста не пиши мне больше. Спасибо за понимание.

[Amos]

Yulya, Lets look at some facts about Iraq, shell we.


1. U.S. Dept of State indicated that CIA reports Sadam's agents searching for resources of purcahsinf enriched uranium.

2. Since removal of Sadam, suicide bombing in Israel dropped by 86%,
why ? because Sadam paid $25,000 to family of every bomber.

3. Sadam financed and budgeted through his national budget, over 15
global terrorist groups inclusing Al Qaida, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and
Hezbolah.

4. U.S. Rangers in three years have recovered: 2 mobile chemical
weapons centers, 86 motor shells for medium ranges rockets capable of
delivering WMD's to just about anywhere in europe and middle east.
Should I continue or you get the idea ?
BY the way out of all the wars since the civil war, only 2 war started by republican presidents, and these are the two lowest causalty wars. They were the current war (less than 1000 soldiers per year) and 1991 Operation Desert Storm in Kuwait.

[Amos]

Oh yeah, almost forget, U.S. Rangers have also recovered Mustard Gas, tons of it. Some say it is not WMD, well lock yourself in a room with that stuff for a couple of minutes, you will chnage your mind, I promise.

[Amos]

As far as your media reports, I don't recomend you listen to a bunch of Ultra Liberal Bias reporter. You ever notice that there are never any reports about good things in Iraq ? Why is it that when 1 soldier dies it on the frint page to say had terrible things are, but when everything in fine, Iraq finds itself on page 20 in a small column ? Ever wonder ? Turn on EuroNews on cable, you will get a totally different stories from european reporters.

[Vladimir Tovk]

Виталий судя по твоим предыдущим сноскам, я сомневался в правидивости этой статьи (oppinion peice might I add) . Почитай что пишет та же газета немного спустя. THE opinion piece by Phil Chapman ("Sorry to ruin the fun, but
an ice age cometh", Opinion, April 22) warns of an approaching ice age
but contains a number of factual errors, misleading statements and
incorrect conclusions.

***********.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23612876-11949,00.html
Phil Chapman reffers to Hadley center for the numbers, here are the Hudley center predicton for the next 100 years. (They are quite opposite of cooling) ***********.metoffice.gov.uk/research/hadleycentre/models/modeldata.html

[Amos]

Vladimir, no one is arguing that there is in fact Global Warming. The question is what percentage is this a human factor and what percentage is a natural event that will happen no matter what, and the answer appears to be that we contribute only about 5-10% the rest is totally natural.

[Vladimir Tov]

Роман to claim that we found WMD in Iraq is silly. No governmental agency ever did it. You might consider other BALANCED surces other the ultra right talking points. 62% of Americans believe the war was a mistake. Good things in Iraq ... what we opened another school there? What is the probability that it will not be bombed tomorrow. If things are peachy why stay there?

[Amos]

Vladimir, no one is claiming WMD were found. However, no one is arguing that they sought them, and no one in their right mind can argue that the world is not better off without Sadam. As far as 62% of Americans, check out Quinipack University, they conducted a poll, they asked 3 questions at random, 1. Who was president during Heroshima and Nagasaki, 2. Who was president during Cuban missle crisis, 3. did you see a photo of Britney Spears vagina. Guess what that 62% you are talking about only 15% answered first one correct, 10% the second one, but Britney 83%. Do you really want to use these people as your source ? Secondly, your average American wants to live in a perfect fairytale world where everyone is kissing and smiling, it is impossible. The truth is we need, terrorism, we need drug problems, we need foreign oil dependence because our economy is tructured to deal with it and without it, our entire system will collapse.

[Vladimir Tovk]

во первых Вилалий дает ссылки на глобальное охлаждение - silly. a вовторых процент выше. IPCC gives 90% chance that it is human driven. I guess it is not 100% .. but it is pretty high. So is there a chance that it is not because of the homo sapiens .. yes, but with 90% certainty I would rather take action on it. Also considering that it is better for economy, national security (oil), environment , less pollution and disease ....

[Amos]

Again Vladimir, fairytale world. We all want to live in the world that you want, with no Global Warming issues, no oil dependence, no war. Its all wonderful, but if you are about the age of 6, you know perfectly well that it is impossible.

[Vladimir Tovk]

so you question just this poll or other as well? CNN poll showed 68% ppose US war in Iraq. USA Today Gallup 63% say it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq. ABCNews/ Washington post 64% not worth it. CBS News not worth it 64% etc etc. on the other hand several month after the war Fox viewers were the most ignorant on the topic of WMD 80% though we found them.

[Vladimir Tovk]

Роман , it is not fairytale world. Technology is already there it
is just a matter to make it more competitive with oil, but at the
price of 125$ a barrel it s already viable. The problem is no one
openly admits that this war is for oil control. Here and there
Greenspan, McCain drop sentences and many think that this is the case,
but if there were an open discussion on it and we would have accounted
the cost of wars in ME then the price of oil would not be that sweet. McKenzie study showed conservation is economically beneficial. Our energy policy actually slows innovation. It is easy to ridicule it as magic wang , but noone says anything will happen overnight - it is a matter of policy and priority.

[Amos]

well CNN and ABC we do not even need to consider, these are wholly owned subsidiaries of the Democrtic National committee. Did we find WMD, well we found only one stock pile of mustard gas. The reason they are not considered is because these are not WMD's we were searching for. But you still did not answer my question, is the world better off now ? Secondly, I already told you who they are polling.

[Amos]

No its a matter of millions of people employed but KeySpan, Shell, exxonMobil, etc. who will be in line for unemployment and this war was oil controlled, then why aren't we getting any of it ? There is a lot more to it.

[Amos]

We have enough technology to create a global utopia right now. The big question is, do we want to put it to work ?

[Vladimir Tov]

you dismissed 5 polls, WOW do you actually a have a poll that says it
was worth it? The world is better off ? I do not know. considering that
some studies give casualties as high as a million dead. Considering
that the cost of war is estimated to be 2 trillion , considering that
terrorism in the world is actually increased and we are breading new
cells in Iraq. ... hmm Saddam vs all this . I do not know.
Everything has a cost.

[Vladimir Tov]

you are not presenting a balanced picture . "Exxon workforce" will be
offset by people employed in other fields. You are not talking about
net gain / net loss.. which is debatable. If you are concerned with
jobs , what is you opinion on the current administration puny record?

[Vladimir Tov]

i am interested to talk policy and fact - not empty rethoric like "global utopia". ^o)

[Amos]

Terorrism has always been there always will be, especially in part of the world. The 2 trillion has you yourself have indicated has been offset by millions who have jobs from this war. The same way to allege that ExxonMobil work-force will be offset by other ventures. Debatable ? Everything from war to Global Warming is debatable. Our personnel losses are in a few thousand not in millions. The polls mean crap and you know it, they are opinions of people who use ultra-liberal bias media to form opinions and lets face it every time someone in this country has a bad day the president is blamed, do you honestly think 1 man controls everything ? congress voted on this war and approved it 98-2. President signed off along with 17other contries. I do not have any polls, I use facts from real news sources to form an opinion, plus I spend enough time in DC to get a good picture of whats going on.

[Amos]

OK you want facts, fine. Fact, we have enough menpower, money, resources and technology right now to do the following: Stop human factor of global warming completely, stop using oil completely, put an end to poverty, hunger and war, to stop the flow of illegal immigration, to stop all drug trafficking in the U.S. and to nail terrorism shut. Would you like us to ?

[Vladimir Tovk]

oh, really! and you say that I live in a fairytale world? I know
you are sarcastic about all this, because none of the thing mentioned
can be achieved. you are just ridiculing any liberal leaning agenda, it does
not really speak highly of your reasoning in my opinion. i would love to have a serious discussion though.

I am "alleging" that workforce losses in oil industry will be
offset ? it is a fact that they will be offset by new jobs in
emerging industries. you still did not present the net change. Polls
are not meaningless, they do show the general feeling f the public.
One man does not control everything and the polls actually show that
the public does want change from the old policies - recent election
results show that . Republicans loosing the safest districts. It is
not a one man's influence anymore.

[Vladimir Tovk]

yes congress voted for the "bill",
which required president to try all diplomatic means. I say he did
not. Which vote are you referring to 98- 2. i know the vote when 23 (?) senators voted agains.

[Юлия Whod]

Roman, once again you are not making argument you just throwing words on
the wind. what is your solutions? you want to keep killing people in
wars (I understand it, you been there done it and wars are not a big deal), you want continue to use oil
(even with the prices as of today which continue to rise), you want to
sit in your office and let your government to use your money (from taxes
you pay) to crash economy and you don't want to do anything
about anything right now..hm.. well, here is news for you, once we
run out of oil in reserve in Alaska (which we don't even know they will
allow us to drill - which would be only temporarily emergency step to cut down cost
of the oil for our country), we still going to face the problem, the
same one in a few years..but the same crisis to deal with every 10
years don't you think is ridiculous idea?? like we say fool me once
shame on you, fool me twice shame on me...I don't think it worth it..

[Юлия Whod]

been there done it - is a slang reflecting your knowledge, I hope you understand it correctly..

[Amos]

Vladimir, I was not kidding about the available technology. It really exists, but using it is fatal to us. Yulya, war is a horible thing, however, its there we have to deal with it. Make no mistake even 1 person dying in war is 1 too many. However, the fact remains that if we implement all the technology available to us, we will loose not thousands but millions upon millions of jobs. Unemployment will skyrocket, and crime to go with it. Stock will plumet to the rock buttom. Countries like Saudi Arabia whoentirely depend on oil will pull their money out of our banks. We will start another war to compensate, other desperate country will join in for lack of economic stimimus, end result WORLD WAR III, eventually it will hit one of the more rogue nuclear powers and ... say good night gracy. Yes we need to deal with Warming, Oil, War, Economy, but we cannot we loose more if we do. It's a sad fact of life. To implement oil technology will take about 100 years. Everyone agrees with that.

[Юлия Whod]

Vladimir, let me ask you another question, why do you think prices for oil are rising?

[Виталий Мэв]

I remembered one movie....
<h1 style="font-weight: normal;">"The
Distinguished Gentleman"</h1>

On a bill to limit awards in malpractice suits, it doesn't matter
which way he votes.

"If you're for it, I can get you money from the doctors and
the insurance companies," Corrigan says. "If you're against
it, I can get you money from the trial lawyers."



"If that's true," Johnson asks, "how does anything
get done?"

"It doesn't," Corrigan says, "that's the beauty of
the system."

[Amos]

There you go, Vitaliy got the right idea. It's true, it is not only about the personal wealth its about hundreds of thousands of people who are employed and millions of investors and stock holders.

[Vladimir Tovk]

Roman, now you are confusing me (md) which exactly technology are you reffering to which would stop wars? or eliminate poverty? etc.

[Amos]

Well lets look at the situation as a whole. We have tons of alternative energy technology putting to work everything from wind to water. Poverty, we can handle and you know it. Drugs, we can take down if we wanted to, militarize our border, nice big fense, we'll be good to go. Hunger, we have sufficient number of chemicals that we can quadrupal the food supply. The problem is, we cannot expose it all. It has to be gradually and very very slowly.

[Amos]

Eugene, would you like to repeat your speach to the State of Israel ? I doubt they will agree that Sadam is exactly whats needed for Middle East and if you remember he sttod trial for crimes against the Kurds, so I doubt they would agree with you either. Sadam, was a threat, plain and simple.

[Amos]

I have not, but we cannot ignore the fact that Iran never attacked Israel, Iraq under Sadam has.

[Amos]

Eugene you are a mortgage broker, first thing you look at is a credit report. A record of past acts. Here the credit report is simple, Iraq is shooting rockets while Iran so far only shooting off its mouth. May be history will prove us wrong, but we can only act on what we see.

[Ирэна Как]

I just joined this forum and found this discussion.
Though many years ago, I voted for Hillary's husband and before that voted for GW's father and before that voted for the best President the U.S. ever head - Ronald Reagan:) But today, I am giving my vote to the one and only candidate we will feel safe with, a candidate who has more political experience than any of the weirde choices we've got and that is Senator McCain. :-D

[Mihail35]

Полностыью согласен с Ириной! (Y) McCain is a clear choice!
У нас вчера в Портленде был Обама. Собрал довольно большую аудиторию деркократов, либералов, и пустозвонов (72000 человек). Самое смешное что музыкальное сопровождение было предоставлено местной группой The Decemberists (Декабристы) :-D (по моему у них там кто-то в группе русский). Обама говорил все одно и тоже: "...change is coming...", "..it will get better..." и так далее...демагог, блин! (N)

[Ирэна Как]

Михаил:) А выбора вообщем-то и нет. Я вообще удивлена, что Хилари не выигрывает, xотя для Республиканцев это лучше;)
(зовут меня Ирена, Ирина это совсем другое;))

[Mihail35]

Простите за misspel, Ирена ;-)...а у Hillary нет шансов вообще...выборы будут между Obana и McCain.

[Amos]

Absolutno soglasen, vibiraem McCain ne potomu shto luchshiy a prosto bolshe ne kovo.

[Виталий Мэв]

Как можно вообще ставить на демократов, если в этот раз у них был идеальный вариант.. найти более-менее приемленого белого мужчину с нормальным политическим опытом.... И его бы радостно выбрала Америка... Так нет, они нашли одного афро-американца и одну женщину с сомнительной репутацией...
Как результат - они проиграют там, где, казалось,проиграть невозможно...
Если они все делают так, можно ли доверять им страну?

[Mihail35]

Согласен в Виталием на 100%! (Y) Как это не прискорбно, у дермократов был шанс, но они им не воспользовались (пока). У президента Буша и республиканцев были просчеты в политике (особенно во внешней), но я не вижу кандидата у дермократов, который смог бы сделать, что-то лучше, чем это сделает McCain ( с его-то опытом политической борьбы!!!).

[Amos]

Da no u McCain, est tolko odin opit, eto vizhivat v Washington, e vse. On ne kogda ne bil "chief executive" na primer Governor ili Mayor. U nevo tolko legislative experience. Pomimo tovo shto on ochen ochen moderate to say the least. Last President who was not a chief executive was JFK. Democrats have no chance but our boy will discourage the conservative base from voting and that may cause a problem. Obama is taking JFK approach and that is very smart. It will not be as simple as everyone thinks.

[Amos]

Vitaly, doveryat Demokratam stranu nelzya ? Da im dazhe uborku ulits doveryat nelzya. :-D

[зорина садн]

McCain will not have a landslide victory. His reputation of a moderate among republicans will hurt him. The conservatives (like Roman said before) and Christians in majority might not support him as they did Bush.
Plus democrats will try their hardest to link him to Bush, which would hurt with support of some clintonian democrats and independents.

[Amos]

There is one glimmer of hope for a landslide. Zorina is right, Democrats will try to link McCain to Bush and of course the Iraq war, because that is all they got. In doing so they do not have a choice but to start bashing the war and offending soldiers and their families along with christian coservative right on the south, which is the GOP base, causing a lot of anger against Obama and a lot of support for McCain. Lets not forget McCain is a war hero and a former POW.

[зорина садн]

I do not think that McCain being a war veteran will prevent democratic party or their supporters (like moveon.org) from running a smear campaign.
Remember Kerry? He was a war veteran and what was done to him?

[зорина сад]

I guess I did not realize that the assault already started.
***********.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Main_Page

[Михаил Штам]

Julia: “you didn't take time to learn more about global warming is just a proof of your laziness or carelessness” --------
Learning what? Propagandist talking points? The techniques that allow unscrupulous meteorologists attract more attention and extract more grants (as did the “Problem 2000” false alarmists)?
Have you ever heard about the difference between mathematical model and the reality?
Do you know that 2007 was the coldest year in 30 years? And that despite the fact that many “scientific” thermometers were placed 30-35 years ago at the open spaces which now are objected to artificial hitting from chimneys, barbecue devices, jets engines, etc – due to urbanization.
Did you bother to compare the maps of Antarctica in 1915 (when the South Pole was first reached) with the modern map and recognize that the Ice shield increased dramatically nowadays?
I can promise you, Julia, there is no more free pass for the Demunist propaganda.

[Igor Disyo]

There isn't really a serious choice outside of McCain.. Watching the Obamania with amusement, I can't help but recall one of Churchill's eloquent quotes "the best case against democracy is a 15-minute convesation with an average voter"

[Михаил Штам]

The Global Fooling
Noses have turned blue,
Shivering from cold reigns, even this March is stormy,
But people repeat they were taught to:
“Global Warming, Global Warming…”
Model consumers, devoted voters…
They can carry Kerry.
2004

[Михаил Штам]

Roman, da oni i ne rvutsya ubirat' licy - voobsche rukami rabotat' ne rvutsya. Eto ved' libo velfernaya publika - libo elita, glavnym obrazom iz anti-ekonomiki: lojerskie firmy, razvlekuha/pornuha, orgprestupnost', profsoyuzy, professional'nye "protestery", byurokratiya vseh urovnej, "investory"/ran'te/"starye nden'gi" ...

[Михаил Штам]

Керри был комической фигурой...
Pochemu byl? Osobenno horosho eto vidno vblizi - iz MA

[Виталий Мэв]

Жаль Юля куда-то пропала... Видимо she took her time to research something..:):):):

[Виталий Мэв]

"Pochemu byl? Osobenno horosho eto vidno vblizi - iz MA"
Ну у нас в Нью Йорке он тоже выглядел клоуном... Однако заведомо демократический Нью Йорк проголосовал за него.... Интересно, проголосует ли Нью Йорк за Обаму?

[Mihail35]

Я думаю что проголосует :-(...так же как и мой Орегон. В последние годы (лет так 20-25) эти штаты стали полностью дермократическими и либеральными (N)

[Михаил Штам]

An ordinary civilian can’t imagine how painful is for a veteran even to hear any accusation aiming other veterans, even if those accusations are undeniable. Every harsh word about fellow soldiers they take personally. That is why the swift boats veterans didn’t express their concern about Senator Kerry – one more flip-flop senator – who cares? Let him be. Clenching their teeth, they (264 swift boat veterans) silently lived with the notion that the man who got his honorable dismissal when at least two of his wounds were scratches (no hospitalization) other veterans considered beneath them even to report to Mash. So, he left after couple months of duty – they left. Then he used the sensational libels against his comrades in order to build his career. They allowed him But the President candidate whose weaknesses they are aware about might cost that much … That is different – they suppressed their pain and came forward.

[Михаил Штам]

Zorina, I believe you compare apples to oranges. Kerry’s bid for the Presidency roused indignation among hundreds of veterans – who knew him directly: “Unfit for command” On the contrary, accusations against McCain are manufactured by healthy young character assassins. Unlike Kerry, McCain was tortured but didn’t betray his comrades for the sake of ending his captivity (the Vietnamese offered him freedom in exchange for signing the text similar to what Kerry voluntarily spewed everywhere for the career purposes and expediency).

[Михаил Штам]

Thing called love
We have been led to cynically believe that many politicians are disingenuous and generally phony, but few will ever beat Massachusetts Senator John Kerry. This man, who changed his middle initial to be JFK and at an anti-Vietnam rally threw someone else's medals into the water, made a self-promotion appearance with Boston talk-show maven Eddie Andelman and claimed he was a big Red Sox fan from his days growing up in Groton, Mass. And at the promotion he said Eddie Yost was his favorite player.
The problem with that is just the simple fact that Eddie Yost never played for the Red Sox.
********espn.go.com/gammons/s/blues/000715.html

[Михаил Штам]

Being dumb - definitely inexcusable. Before his stupid attemts, he was perceived just as an arrogant jerk - after them - as arrogant, stupid lliar. He didn't even manage to prepare his lies.

[Михаил Штам]

In the words of Panagopoulos, a team owner, these gaffes prove that John Kerry is "someone who's trying to be all things to all people, and so he's trying to act like he knows some of these things." When Kerry says "Lambert Field," he's advertising his ignorance while putting on the front of being a real fan.

In the conference room of a Washington, D.C., law firm, team owners Dino Panagopoulos and Jeff Larroca were laughing at how John Kerry called the Green Bay Packers' home stadium Lambert Field rather than Lambeau Field. Someone else remembered that Kerry continued to use a line about the greatness of Ohio State football after crossing into Michigan. In Michigan, people wear T-shirts that say, "Oh how I hate Ohio State."

[Михаил Штам]

Kerry thought there was a current member of the Red Sox named Manny Ortez. Not to mention that Kerry flinched like a coward while catching a football. (That is why Obama makes sure viewers see he is not that phony as Kerry - Barak does play basketball).
Still, when Kerry corrected himself he did mispronounce David Or-TEEZ as David Or-TEZZ.. This way he tried to show that he is “with people”!! Such a jerk as president?
The Football Fans did miss one more example of the supposed disconnect between Kerry and the sports-loving public. On March 18, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd wrote:
Even when he puts on that barn jacket over his expensive suit to look less lockjaw—and says things like, ''Who among us doesn't like Nascar?''—he can come across like Mr. Collins, Elizabeth Bennet's pretentious cousin in ''Pride and Prejudice.''

[Михаил Штам]

Of course Mitt Romney. All others will just burry us. That is why the Main Stream media - the obeying instrument of the Dem party - the party of re-distributors, helped first Huckabee and then McCain to beat him.

[Vladimir Tovk]

I do not think one needs to "try" linking McCain to Bush. He is
Bush II. All his maverick facade has evaporated. War - stay for
100 years , taxes - cut never mid what current situation is. Was against
religious fanatics - now loves Hagee. Where is the difference? Name it! I guess only visibly - not as much clown as Bush. Can pronounce -nucular. (N)

[Ирэна Как]

Can I vote for Ronald Reagan?? :-D :-D But seriously, from what we have McCain will do (Y) (Y) (Y)

[Vladimir Tov]

I think in couple of years McCain with get Alzhimers and his will be just like Reagan ;-)

[Ирэна Как]

Reagan didn't have Alzheimers while President, so I think McCain will be fine as well;) Who knows, when Obama will be Reagan's age before he died, will have Alzheimers as well. We all might have it *-)

[Михаил Штам]

btw Misha McCain is for the "Global Fooling" ... hmmm
He is Bush II

Vova, You are as inconsistent, as your pick is :-D

[Михаил Штам]

Never said that McCain is what I want - but whatever imperfect he is - he is not even close as ugly and Soviet-like, as the Bureaucratic party bonzes

[Vladimir Tov]

all inconsistency is on McCain side as stated before ... flipped on taxes, flipped on torture, flipped on religious fanatics... Enough?

[Vladimir Tovk]

Reagan was formally diagnosed right after he left the office (how convenient ;-)) ********en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan but symptoms were noticable during the presidency

[Виталий Мэв]

Vladimir...
I kind of feel bad for you...
With your opinions and your political views you'll be very disappointed in November... Very.

[Виталий Мэв]

"but symptoms were noticable during the presidency"
???
What's your specialty, Doctor?

[Михаил Штам]

Well, you definitely want me to fix all flaus of the left-liberal education that pushed you towards Obama
Pick=choice of person, e.g.: 10 yeas ago Paul Pierce was the Celtic's "first pick". Where is "mat"?
Second, isn't it offensive to "explain" as to why if you state McCain's difference and in the next post deny any difference - you are inconsistent?

[Михаил Штам]

Reagan was formally diagnosed right after he left the office (how convenient
Very relaxing explanation: he successfully crashed Demunists, because he was ku-ku. How convenient and characteristic to the DEmies (N)

[Vladimir Tovk]

Виталий quite opposite . I doubt Obama will win (Because of the race) but McCain would not be able to winn in a landslide. I will not be disapointed , since Dems will MOST definetly gain seats in the house and will get REAL majority in a senate. (not the fake one like now). so we will se odds are in Democrats favor... I would not be so sure. ;-)

[Vladimir Tovk]

I am not as old as McCain ;-) to remember his condition or be his Doctor (how cute you on the right are all so fond of Nazis! Must be the reason why Republicans did not want to fight them? ). I did post my source you posted a lame joke.