Президент США Барак Обама награжден Нобелевской Премией Мира. Ваши мнения?

[Wagner]

for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples,"...what extraordinary efforts? The nomination process takes place on Feb 1 -- 2weeks after Obama was sworn in?!?!! WTF has the whole world gone insane?

[Олег Сах]

Алексей, я очень уважаю Ваше мнение. Может я чего-то не понимаю? 2 недели в оффисе и Нобелевская Премия. Учитывая что г-н Обама не сделал ничего до того как стал президентом, за что её вообще дают? За полит. принадлежность ?

[Алексей Пэт]

Oleg, I didn't say he deserves it. In fact, I don't think he does. People work their whole lives to get a Nobel prize (at least in physics).
However, this fact has no relation of him being re-elected (or not re-elected) for the second term. I was pointing this fact out.
Эта тема -- за что люди получают Нобелевскую премия мира -- весьма интересна и я надеюсь оне не превратится в обычную перебранку демократов и республиканцев.

[Светлана Гэмм]

wow! it's nice to be a liberal...too bad I didn't realize it earlier...the whole world loves you for accomplishing nothing??...:-) just speending...:-) that's what I need to start doing - spending!!...:-)

[Wagner]

part 2
1987 - Oscar Arias Sanchez 1986 - Elie Wiesel 1985 - International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War 1984 - Desmond Tutu 1983 - Lech Walesa 1982 - Alva Myrdal, Alfonso Garcia Robles 1981 - Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees 1980 - Adolfo Perez Esquivel 1979 - Mother Teresa 1978 - Anwar al-Sadat, Menachem Begin 1977 - Amnesty International 1976 - Betty Williams, Mairead Corrigan 1975 - Andrei Sakharov

[Wagner]

Ok, so here are some recent winners: 2009 - Barack Obama 2008 - Martti Ahtisaari 2007 - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Al Gore 2006 - Muhammad Yunus, Grameen Bank 2005 - International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei 2004 - Wangari Maathai 2003 - Shirin Ebadi 2002 - Jimmy Carter 2001 - United Nations, Kofi Annan 2000 - Kim Dae-jung 1999 - Medecins Sans Frontieres 1998 - John Hume, David Trimble 1997 - International Campaign to Ban Landmines, Jody Williams 1996 - Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo, Jose Ramos-Horta 1995 - Joseph Rotblat, Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs 1994 - Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin 1993 - Nelson Mandela, F.W. de Klerk 1992 - Rigoberta Menchu Tum 1991 - Aung San Suu Kyi 1990 - Mikhail Gorbachev 1989 - The 14th Dalai Lama 1988 - United Nations Peacekeeping Forces (cont'd)

[Алексей Пэт]

Renata, this list is irrelevant. What is relevant, is the list of NPP winners, who are US presidents. With their accomplishments. Do you have that?

[Славик Саж]

Присуждение Обаме Нобелевской премии уменьшает значимость премии в глазах людей. Теперь он в одном списке с Ясером Арафатом. Пусть гордится.
Иронично то, что он получает эту награду в тот момент когда решает сколько солдат отправить на войну в Афганистан.
New Glenn Beck book just wrote itself.

[Светлана Гэмм]

Carter mg ot one and then we got Iranian revolution, mullahs, hostages in Iran...real peace...:-) then Reagan became president, and hostages the released right away...but Reagan didn't even get the prize for ending THE COLD WAR...tell me there is something wrong with it...

[Gulya O]

Да с Афганистаном он делает большую ошибку не уделяя внимания такому серьзному терроризму который растет как снежный ком а когда будут взрывы во всех точках мира спохватятся да поздно будет.... многие мировые политики не понимают какую серьезную угрозу несет нарастающий терроризм в Афгане и Пакистане....

[Светлана Гэмм]

yeah, sorry...bu tReagan never did...he was a much greater person and president...

[Mike]

Carter should have gotten one with Begin and Sadat.. for camp david.
that WAS a big deal.

[Алексей Пэт]

Carter is just one of the recent ex-presidents.
1906: Theodore Roosevelt -- for negotiating a treaty that ended a war between Russia and Japan and
1919: Woodrow Wilson -- for founding the League of Nations;
There must be others.

[Zhanna Каса]

...the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize.
uhm.....?? is he the only president who works toward a world free of nuclear weapons??
"strenghten diplomacy".... kissing a*** to dictators , terrorists and KGB is not "diplomacy".

[Алексей Пэтк]

People, you are discussing a PEACE price. Where did you get all that hate from? And for how much? :-)

[Margarita Tos]

Я смеялась и плакала одновременно(H), все превратили в фарс и даже Нобелевскую премию.
Я всегда была уверена, что премию дают за заслуги, а не за добрые намерения...:-)

[Светлана Гэмм]

:-) it's not hate...почему сразу hate?...:-) это недоумение..*-)
в другой группе прочитала - на радио в Бостоне дают $1000 кто назовёт ОДНУ вещь, что Обама сделал...:-)

[Светлана Гэмм]

I didn't know there was a ban...*-)...you mean increased funding?...:-) can I get $1000 now?...:-P

[Славик Саж]

в Бостоне дают $1000 кто назовёт ОДНУ вещь, что Обама сделал.
Beer Summit with officer Crowley and professor whatshisname

[Mike]

President George W Bush blocked the use of any government money tofund research on human embryonic stem cell lines created after 9 August2001.

Obama unblocked it.. that involves DOING something. Where do i claim my $1000, i want my money!

[Светлана Хаву]

This PEACE prize is more material for SNL. I guess, I'll start watching the show :-D

[Гера Така]

On top of the Beer Summit, which is our internal US issue, President Obama achieved the following things:
- Bowed to the Saudi King
- Apologiezed to the world for America's arrogance
- Supports and friends with famous leaders like Chavez and Ahmadinejad
- Advised his wife to hug a Queen
- Advised the World that everybody bears responsibility for the Global Warming



Cheers...(D)(D)(D)

[Светлана Гэмм]

Mike, I love you :-) there was never any ban - I am sure you know it...Bush was the first want to allow any kind of FEDERAL money to go into the research, there hasn't been any ban to fund it with private money...and as everyone knows - the embryonic stem research has NOT given much promising results so far...the adult stem cell has...it was all political stun...

[Mike]

as i stated ( in the expanded version ) he banned Federal money to be used in it, for no good reason. Obama unbanned it.
So he did something..
Are you denying that Obama overturned that "ban of federal money to be used on stem cells harvested after 2001"?
I want my G.

[Гера Така]

How is it an achievement to help spend tax payers' money?(N)

That is all he did so far... he did not create anything.

[Светлана Гэмм]

if you want you G you either have to travel to Boston or come to Florida...:-) you want check or cash?...money order?...:-)
about the ban - it was put in in 1994 by Clinton (federal government was prohibitted from funding ANY embryo destruction)...Bush was the first one to allow the funding in 2001 for the limited lines, but would not allow it for the new ones...Obama increased the funding for all lines...

[Алексей Пэтк]

In 1998, privately funded research led to the breakthrough discovery ofHuman Embryonic Stem Cells (hESC). This prompted the ClintonAdministration to re-examine guidelines for federal funding ofembryonic research. In 1999, the president's National BioethicsAdvisory Commission recommended that hESC harvested from embryosdiscarded after in vitro fertility treatments, but not fromembryos created expressly for experimentation, be eligible for federalfunding. Even though embryos are always destroyed in the process ofharvesting hESC, the Clinton Administration decided that it would bepermissible under the Dickey Amendment to fund hESC research as long assuch research did not itself directly cause the destruction of anembryo. Therefore, HHS issued its proposed regulation concerning hESCfunding in 2001. Enactment of the new guidelines was delayed by theincoming George W. Bush administration which decided to reconsider the issue.

[Светлана Гэмм]

you mean any research?...not really - Bush's been funding research even more percentage-wise...he just increased a little bit...nothing to the extent deserving even an Oscar...:-)

[Олег Сах]

Before we deviate any further. (He definitely did not get it for his reversal of the ban). What kind of a message is it? The gentleman was considered to be a winner only 2 & 1/2 weeks into his presidency. He was also a non-existing senator before that. What was the prize awarded for? Merit? Good intentions? Paraphrasing what Mike wrote in another group, I am currently working on the plan to end all wars, can I be next?

[Светлана Гэмм]

And as we know from history (Arafat and Perez got the Nobel Peace Prize), this kind of approach (appeasing terrorists) doesn't really bring any peace...in fact, it was the opposite..(tr) :-(

[Mike]

***********.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/09/obama-won-the-nobel-peace_n_315226.html
Apparently,Obamawas awoken early this morning by Robert Gibbs with the news, which surelyled to an awkward moment where Obama said,"Seriously, Gibbs, Iam goingto hurt you, if this is a joke

he took it well..

[Славик Саж]

My Beer Summit comment was taken as a joke, which mildly offends me.
That event, indeed, was a successful attempt to establish peace between blacks and whites and IMHO deserve a Nobel Prize at least.
Joe Biden should be nominated as well for his participation.
Oleg, yes, you can be next - for drinking beer with Mike Rabinovich
(B) :-D

[Славик Саж]

Obama was awoken early this morning by Robert Gibbs with the news, which surelyled to an awkward moment
As if Gibbs waking up Obama is not awkward enough

[Светлана Гэмм]

That event, indeed, was a successful attempt to establish peace betweenblacks and whites and IMHO deserve a Nobel Prize at least.
Do you mean estanlishing peace after igniting unnecessary racial tensions?...*-)

[Славик Саж]

Here is one more for Obama - promising to close Gitmo
See? He deserves every рубль of his prize

[Светлана Гэмм]

Славик, I saw - i think you observation is funnier...:-)
Натан, не всей Америки, а всего МИРА!!! (md) (fr)

[Алексей Пэтк]

Bush's been funding research even more percentage-wise...
Svetlana, are you kidding me? Let me put it mildly -- this is incorrect. I am a person who have been doing federally-funded research for the past 15 years and have a first hand experience in that.

[Светлана Гэмм]

Алексей, it's ok..I know Bush is evil, he did all the terrible things...:-)...but you know what the best part is now?...
The time for trushing Bush is OVER!...now it's Obama's Time!! (fr)
(v)

[Мария]

Pavel, you are on to something. Nobel peace price is usually given to the biggest trashers of America.

[Салмаксова]

Please, don't diminish the great achievements of our president. In his first 12 days he also released fundung to pay for abortions in other countries, re-affirmed the army interrogation techniques while expressing the desire to close Gitmo. (That worked out well) AND he hosted a Superbowl party. How cool is that?

Slavik, thanks for stealing my line about Glenn Beck's book

[Славик Саж]

he also released fundung to pay for abortions in other countries
Unfortunately Palestine is not one of them

[Салмаксова]

No, Slava, unfortunately this pseudo well-intentioned attempt of population control will be another money grabbing opportunity for swindlers world wide. No woman in need of this procedure will have access to it. We'll waste billions .Again

[Мария]

he also released fundung to pay for abortions in other countries
Unfortunately Palestine is not one of them
:-D

[Светлана Гэмм]

Michael Medved is acutally praising Obama for saying "this is not torecognize my accomplishments, but rather to acknoweldege Americanleadership"...(ch)

[Славик Саж]

По сводкам ТАСС:
Обама поблагодарил комитет за приятный сюрприз в канун Великой Октябрьской Социалистической Революции

[Mike]

you people are just like obamamanics only in reverse..
one side "anything that obama does and what happens with him is always great"
another side "anything that obama does and what happens with him is shit"
i hope at least a small fraction of people have enough sense to use their brains and not silly slogans.

[Светлана Гэмм]

how about some sense of humor?...:-)
or just recognizing how crazy this world is - giving some high prize to someone who's achieved nothing?...do we have a right to do it?...or unless it gets approved by certain ones, it's not appropriate?....*-)

[Wagner]

I was curious about how does the rest of the world see this news so here is what I found: ***********.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/09/international-media-reactions-obama-peace-prize/?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g12:r2:c0.426465:b28218958:z0

[Alex Оks]

Перефразируя Висоцкого:


Потеряли люди здравый смысл
Больно мне за весь ООН родной
не давайте премию Обаме
Не подходит к премии блатной




Можно даже крыть с трибуны матом,
Раздавать подарки вкривь и вкось,
Называть Обаму нашим братом....
Но уж Нобеля-не той собаке кость




А почему нет золота в стране?
Раздарили, просто раздарили...
Лучше бы давали на войне,
А Обамы после б нас простили.(H)

[Mike]

Pasha, i don't think he has done much of anything at all :) however i do like some of his ideas..
Slava, there are very very few people who are not totally indoctrinated.. but they do exist

[Wagner]

Headlines:
UK:
Financial Times: What Did Obama Do to Win the Nobel Peace Prize?
Times: Absurd Decision on Obama Makes a Mockery of the Nobel Peace Prize
The Guardian: Barack Obama's Nobel Prize: Why Now?
Telegraph: Obama's Won the Nobel Peace Prize -- WTF?!

[Wagner]

More headlines:
Au: Sydney Morning Herald: They Think He Can: Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize

Italy:
Il Giornale: A Preposterous Choice
Germany:
Der Spiegel: Obama's Nobel Prize Is More of a Burden Than an Honor
Bild: "Wow!" Barack Obama Receives Nobel Peace Prize
Poland Post: "Too Fast" for Obama Nobel, Says Walesa

National Post: Shiny Prize Went to the Nice Man Who Gave the Best Speech

Al-Jazeera: Doubts Voiced Over Obama Peace Win

Award
The International News: Iranians Call Obama Nobel Award a Mistake

[Светлана Гэмм]

Telegraph: Obama's Won the Nobel Peace Prize -- WTF?!
I like this one the most....:-)
I think it's the word "abortions" in Olga's post навеялo такие философские мысли на кого--то...*-)
good ideas are great...how achievable and damaging they are to the rest of us with his approach - that's the question...*-)

[Wagner]

LOL, I do too


I like this one too:
National Post: Shiny Prize Went to the Nice Man Who Gave the Best Speech

[Славик Саж]

More Headlines:
Русская Америка Times: Obama's Prize led to all three Сахно to post in the same topic, same day. Next such event is expected after Queen nominates him for White Knight title

[Mike]

Headline:
Obama saves a tiny kitten from the tree.. Русская Америка is outraged.

[Светлана Гэмм]

no, he is just sad there is not a lot of libs around here to make fun of ...and most people are kinda agree with him here, and no one to argue with...*-)

[Wagner]

Headline:
Obama saves a tiny kitten from the tree.. Русская Америка is outraged.

Those damn over-reactors. Someone even opened the
"Обама получил Нобелевскую премию мира !?" topic in Respek at 7 AM! Mike, who was that crazy reactionary?

[Элла Павм]

hello all! just found this group; so far, no classmates in sight. but i met some nice people.

[Mike]

Renata.. i was shocked.. however i did not devolve to trashing Obama topic.. that's the difference.. somehow i don't think it was his "fault" :)

[Светлана Гэмм]

Those damn over-reactors. Someone even opened the
"Обама получил Нобелевскую премию мира !?" topic in Respek at 7 AM! Mike, who was that crazy reactionary?


Really??? :-O NO!!! it can't be...(tr) why would he be disapproving people discussing it here??...(dt) :-|...what is he saying in his group? is he happy for Obama and agrees that he deserves it?...:-)

[Wagner]

Mika, are you kidding???? Have you read your topic recently.
Here is just one of brilliant constructive discussions there:
i guess Hussein is getting his prize for implementing socialism and fucking up great country.
еще возможно ему дали премию за то что он грязный негр.

[Wagner]

Ella, I agree. There was even a joke from that time
"I hear the Nobel prize committee is searching for Hitler"
-but why???
-They want to award him the peace prize"

[Славик Саж]

Рената calm down. Mike didn't copy the whole headline. Here it is:
Obama saves a tiny kitten from the tree. Kitten was immediately eaten by little Sasha's evil dog. Русская Америка is outraged.
(fr)

[Wagner]

Renata, did i post that?


Mika, that's irrelevant. you were making fun of the wholeRA (not just the person who started the topic), so, of course, I will compare that toyour whole forum in Respek, not just your statements

[Wagner]

Natalya, how's Nobel Peace prize an oxymoron? not sure I understand what you mean

[Славик Саж]

BTW, кто представил Обаму к награде будет держаться в секрете 50 лет, так что распускайте слухи, проверит невозможно
Я начну - Лина Т. :-P

[Kim Lambert]

По теме.
(md)(md)(md)(md)(md)
Ужас полный. Самое главное, что его предоставили на основании его 12 первых дней президентства. Долбанные политиканы. Тупизна. Противно просто.
(N)(N)(N)(N)(N)(N)(N)(N)(N)(N)(N)

[Васюкова]

Это - награда Обамке за освобождение мира от американской гегемонии. Мир просто задыхался, но тут появился Обамка на белом коне... И саблей гидру проклятую, саблей!

[Светлана Гэмм]

"Власти Ирана одним из первых поздравили Барака Обаму с присуждениемемупремии мира. "Эта премия должна подтолкнуть Обаму кдействиям,направленным на ликвидацию несправедливости в мире", -говорится взаявлении руководства Тегерана."
********cursorinfo.co.il/news/mivzakim/2009/10/09/12-24/

[Елена П]

Обамка премию взял - а кто ж сомневался? Теперь он точно возомнит себя мессией, десницей Божьей и Линкольном (но уже в мировом масштабе)- в одном флаконе: он сделаетмиру мир, профукает теперь деньги не на войну, а что-нитьболее масштабное *- на борьбу с глобальным потеплением, например.
Люди стремятся в президенты из разных побуждений, у Барака Обамы худшее из всех - он стемится стать величайшим президентом всех времен и народов США, а для этого ему не меньше чем надо весь мир осчастливить. Правда, на осчастливливание придется тратить деньги простых работяг... Ех, то ли еще будет...мля...

[Алексей Пэтк]

Obama was put in a pickle by the Norwegians with this Nobel Prize. If he had declined you people would be the first to point out that "he thinks that he is above it all".

[Светлана Гэмм]

На "Эхо Москвы" прислали предложение :
присудить Ноб. премию мира коту Леопольду
за слоган "Ребята, давайте жить дружно!"
:-D :-D :-D
Алексей, don't call us "you people"...:-( we are your country men, just have slightly different taste in men president...:-)

[Светлана Гэмм]

Кстати, отбой насчет штуки (денег) - я не правильно задала вопрос...(tr) (H) ...вопрос был - назовите одну вещь, что он сделал для мира во всем мире...(dt) so, the stem cell funding не канает...:-P
так что конкурс продолжается...:-) приз будет выдан хозяином Славиком...;-)...:-D ($) ($) ($)

[Sweet]

Ребята: злые Вы!! Нашему президенту выдали Нобелевскую Премию---человек-Мира....вместо радости за нашего президента---вы над ним устроили тут целый циркНу давайте погордимся за нашего Обамчика, что ли? Ему будет приятно---ведь такой сюрприз у него...не каждому дано....радоваться будете или как?

[Sweet]

пусть гудит этот Инет!!! Нобелевскую не дают просто так....какой бы он ни был---это наш президент и другого пока нету...может конечно поторопились они с премией , но все же он не убийца и не негодяй...

[Мария]

Просто он Нарцисс. Главное, зеркало ему не давать, а то ещё посмотритя туда, и умрёт от любви к себе. И что нам тогда делать? С Ваней Байденым жить?:-O

[Khramaya]

I actually thought the Nobel Committee was high on all that cheap Afghani opium. And they thought this year they are giving away advances, not prizes for achievement. As advance this prize this year might mean something. Because nobody else did anything more deserving maybe ( in their opinion)? I don't know.... I thought Rush Limbaugh кондрашка хватит, that actually could be good for peace :-D , but he just thrives on this kind of stuff8oI

[Wagner]

So, I am very curious about who else was nominated, unfortunately it won't be published until 2059.
Meanwhile i found two intersting thoughts:

"In his will,Alfred Nobel said the Peace Prize, should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

Previous winners include U.S. presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, former President Jimmy Carter, former Vice President Al Gore, Israeli President Shimon Peres, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.
Controversial nominees, meanwhile, have included Adolf Hitler, Soviet Union leader Joseph Stalin and Italian Prime Minister Benito Mussolini.

[Wagner]

comparing to this:
"Controversial nominees, meanwhile, have included Adolf Hitler, Soviet Union leader Joseph Stalin and Italian Prime Minister Benito Mussolini."
Obama looks like a pretty good choice.(md)

Bottom line, the nobel Peace Prize is not worth the paper it is written on...Little Miss Sunshine might be a more meaningful title at this point :-D:-D

[Олег Сах]

Julia, золотые слова. Тем кто возмущался ярко негативным отношением многих участников к премии и самому B.O.:
Ну неужели вы не находите все происходящее вокруг нашего президента безумием? И факт награждения этой премией апофеозом этого безумия? Да, это не его "вина", и он очень красиво и достойно выступил по этому поводу. Но. Не за это ли ему дали премию что он красиво говорит? С того момента как они решили дать ему премию он не сделал ничего по поводу войны в Ираке, оставив в покое бушевский план вывода войск. Продолжает войну в Афганистане прекрасно зная что выиграть её никогда не сможет, для этого понадобятся решительные действия, а их он предпринимать не способен.(это факт, а не мнение) Комитет мог бы пересмотреть свое решение за прошедшие 8 месяцев. Но почему то этого не сделал. Решив дать ему премию за слова, они оставили решение в силе не увидев действий.

[Wagner]

I think the Canadian newspaper National Post said best in this headline:Shiny Prize Went to the Nice Man Who Gave the Best Speech
But is that really enough?

[Дан]

Обама получил премию мира за то, что вместо сорока тысяч солдат решил послать в Афганистан только 17... :)

[Алексей Пэтк]

Алексей, don't call us "you people"
What's exactly wrong with that? What is the appropriate address for the"conservative" (I can explain the quotes) part of this discussiongroup?
BTW, I totally agree with the rest of your message there!

[Эдуард Кмэ]

Маразм крепчал! Премия за снижения планки Америки до средне- Европеского уровня. Меня не ни как не трогает цвет Обамовой кожи, но я не приемлю цвет его мыслей...

[Елена П]

ладно! пУСТЬ РАДУЕТСЯ, ПОЛОЖИТЕЛЬНЫЙ МОМЕНТ В ЭТОМ ТОЖЕ ЕСТЬ - 1миллион 400 тыс. дол. обещал пустить на благотворительность.
Татьяна, ему анналы истории интересны (как всякому близкому к мании величия), поэтому он к этой премии еще нулей справа добавит (из наших с вами гос. карманов) - и тратить будет на что-нибудь дебильно-гигантское - типа борьбы против глобального потепления. Была бы борьба с инопланетянами - он бы в ней участие принял - его размерчик. А времени, чтобы страну из д...ма вытягивать, - у него нет, да и неинтересно это, мелковато. Хочет, правда, бедных "аборигенов" реформой медицинской осчастливить, но деньги откуда на это? Да опять же получше средний класс потрясти...

[Mike]

нееееее.. Will Smith с инопланетянами и вирусами.. Виллис больше с земными злодеями

[Светлана Гэмм]

What's exactly wrong with that? What is the appropriate address forthe"conservative" (I can explain the quotes) part of thisdiscussiongroup?
just normal regular people...:-)
but anyhow, all this nobel prizes for wolrd peace is how the left of the World pats themsleves on the back and reaffirms their views and support TODAY...part of the reason Obama got it is to show he is not Bush...a lot of Europeans (not regular people) but prominent politicians, leaders are not he left of the political spectrum, and their worldview is that peace can be achieved through negotiations with anybody...I want to believe that it's possible and I want Obama to succeed, but something tells us it's very unlikely...when was the last time peace was achieved through negotiations and by people on the left (I mean real peace, not negotiating like Clinton with Kim Jong Il, and the last one was still pursuing nuclear weapons meanwhile we were giving him uranium)...

[Светлана Гэмм]

So, the answer is it was during the Cold War, and it wasn't someone from the left.. it was Reagan, a very firm, principled man, who would call it as he saw it...he called the Soviet Union the Evil Empire and was crucified by the left for not being diplomatic...he negotiated and DEMANDED, and until his demands were met, he was ready to walk out of any negotiations...he was hated very much in Europe back then, and even here by the far-left...but the truth was the matter is he was very successful...so until we have strong leaders like him again, we will never be able to achieve real peace...

[Светлана Гэмм]

.a lot of Europeans (not regular people) but prominent politicians, leaders are ON THE left of the political spectrum****
some more..if the french today are more decisive and to the right of us, there is something wrong - Sarkozy slams Obama on his approach with Iran...
***********.examiner.com/x-19823-PostPartisan-Examiner~y2009m9d26-OUCH-French-Pres-Sarkozy-slams-naive-Obama-for-living-in-virtual-world-on-Iran

[Лина]

So, the answer is it was during the Cold War, and it wasn't someone from the left.. it was Reagan,
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that's what they call being in the right place, at the right time...

[Светлана Гэмм]

Кстати, Woodrow Wilson - нобелевский лаурят, так говорят, у него была ужасная внешняя политика - отказывался вступать в первую мировую войну до последнего момента, не вооружал армию до последнего пока уже немцы чуть ли не сотрудничали с Мексикой, потом был инициатором Лиги Наций, чтобы предотвротить все будущие войны...:-) как раз сработало..(tr) ...НО, что интерсно - Америка таки в Лигу не вступила из-за сильного протеста со стороны республиканцев, но Wilson их так убеждал, что довел себя то инсульта...:-O (hu)

[Елена П]

Нобелевская премия скурвливается - предвзятым подходом к тому, что называть миротворчеством (Арафат) и ненужными авансами (Обама). Печально это. Печально и то, что этот "политически выдержанный" поход проник уже в литературную часть Нобелевки (не лучшим дают, а "правильно мыслящим", или "мыслящим в правильном для Запад направлении"). Ик.:-(

[Славик Саж]

Я слышал эту теорию, но есть теория что Союз развалился потому что львиная доля ресурсов уходила на гонку вооружения. Не отставать от Америки была единственная задача КПСС.
Я думаю что и нефть и гонка вооружения "помогли" Союзу окочурится, но главным было идеология обреченная на провал с самого начала, с 1917-го - от каждого по способностям, каждому по потребностям (правильный перевод с немецкого - не по труду). Еслиб было по труду то Союз и сейчас жил и процветал

[Гера Така]

До тех пор пока распределение идёт через центральную государственную систему - в любой стране - толку не будет.

[Мария]

Така именно по труду и получали -никто не работал, вот ни у кого ничего и не было.:-|

[Лина]

a very firm, principled man, who would call it as he saw it...he called the Soviet Union the Evil Empire and was crucified by the left for not being diplomatic...he negotiated and DEMANDED, and until his demands were met, he was ready to walk out of any negotiations...he was hated very much in Europe back then, and even here by the far-left...but the truth was the matter is he was very successful...so until we have strong leaders like him again, we will never be able to achieve real peace...
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DURING the spring of 1987, American conservatives were becoming disenchanted with Ronald Reagan’s increasingly conciliatory approach to Mikhail Gorbachev.

[Лина]

From the autumn of 1986 through the end of his presidency in January 1989, Mr. Reagan was in fact moving steadily closer to a working accommodation with Mr. Gorbachev, conducting a series of summit meetings and signing a major arms control agreement — steps that were strongly opposed by the American right.

[Светлана Гэмм]

Two developments dominated the decade that followed: the increasinglyapparent crumbling of the Soviet Union's economic and politicalstructures, and the patchwork attempts at reforms to reverse thatprocess. Kenneth S. Deffeyes argued in "Beyond Oil" that the ReaganAdministration encouraged Saudi Arabia to lower the price of oil to the point where the Soviets could not make a profit from selling their oil, so that the USSR's hard currency reserves became depleted.
wow, Reagan is a real genius...a determined, principled man, with the clear vision of right and wrong, and that helped him to succeed...a rare breed...

[Лина]

In the months leading up to his speech, Mr. Reagan had been under attack in the United States for having been beguiled by Mr. Gorbachev. Conservatives were particularly outraged. In September 1986, after the K.G.B. had seized Nicholas Daniloff, a journalist for U.S. News & World Report, in retaliation for the arrest of a Soviet agent in the United States, Mr. Reagan hadn’t taken a hard line, but had instead negotiated an exchange.

[Лина]

Later that fall, hawks in the national-security establishment were upset that at the Reykjavik summit meeting, Mr. Reagan had talked about the possibility of abolishing nuclear weapons.
And these events were merely prologue: there was considerably more business Mr. Reagan was seeking to conduct with the Soviets — business that he knew would be deeply unpopular with many conservatives. By the spring of 1987, he was well into quiet negotiations for two more summit meetings with the Soviet leader in Washington and Moscow. His administration was moving toward a landmark arms-control agreement with the Soviet Union — a treaty on intermediate-range nuclear forces, which would have to be ratified by the Senate. The idea of such a treaty was beginning to attract considerable opposition in Washington.

[Mike]

encouraged Saudi Arabia to lower the price of oil

loool... this is really funny..
the price of oil collapsed as a direct effect of post 1979 energy crisis measures, which extended the natural cyclical nature of oil pricing. For example, the economical car models designed in a peak of the crisis in 79-82 did not hit production lines until mid 80ies.

saudis cannot control the oil prices even if they wanted too, it's been proven time and time again, but even if they could they would collapse their economy to cater to Regans agenda.

[Лина]

wow, Reagan is a real genius...a determined, principled man, with the clear vision of right and wrong, and that helped him to succeed...a rare breed...
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Reagan was a very likable man, although his approval ratings werepretty low while he was in office... and trust me, no one in the country considered him a genius - just a man who happened to be president during the demise of the Soviet Union. Do you honestly believe the same thing would have happened when Kruschev or Brezhnev were in office?

[Светлана Гэмм]

loool... this is really funny..
this is from the book and wiki...argue with them...:-)

[Mike]

Reagan had pretty high approval ratings, although they varied drastically throughout his presidency.

[Славик Саж]

Did anyone see Jay Leno Last night? He said that Obama got a prize for bringing white cop and black professor together.
Leno is using my material
8oI
My Beer Summit comment was taken as a joke, which mildly offends me.
That event, indeed, was a successful attempt to establish peace between blacks and whites and IMHO deserve a Nobel Prize at least.
Joe Biden should be nominated as well for his participation.
09.10.2009 20:02
:-D

[Лина]

Slavik, it's just thatthis is not the first time I'm having this discussion with Svetlana... I like Reagan, but lets not make him into something he's not...and you could have easily googled the article.

***********.nytimes.com/2007/06/10/opinion/10mann.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=1&adxnnlx=1255219506-Jg3le+tGWM66kIVEz3jnLw

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.nytimes.com/
do we need to say more?....:-)
Reagan had won 49 states the second time around...that's very popular to me...:-)

[Мария]

no one in the country considered him a genius - just a man who happened to be president during the demise of the Soviet Union.
Nice try:-D

[Mike]

lets use NYT as a credible source.. because they are know for their journalistic integrity :)
********en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

[Светлана Гэмм]

btw, about Reagan influencing the price of oil in 1985, you can google it - there is tons of info on it...

[Лина]

Svetlana, that's not my point... you're describing a Ronald Reagan that didn't exist...

[Лина]

Nice try:-D
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Nice try? Do you remember things differently?

[Mike]

Sveta, you can't sell this to me :) no matter how many references you can find.
I have seen how the entire world government tried to bring the price of oil up and failed and then they tried to bring it down and failed until the market decides to move it.

[Лина]

The 1980s oil glut was a surplus of crude oil caused by falling demand following the 1973 and 1979 energy crises. The world price of oil, which had peaked in 1980 at over US$35 per barrel, fell in 1986 from $27 to below $10.[2][3] The glut began in the early 1980s as a result of slowed economic activity in industrial countries (due to the 1973 and 1979 energy crises) and the energy conservation spurred by high fuel prices[4].

[Светлана Гэмм]

Are you saying if we increase supply it would change the price?
remember few years back, Bush had asked the Saudis (and OAPEC) to increase production, but they didn't...if they had, would have it made a difference?
Back to Reagan's times, the Saudis were very close to the United States because of their existence of the Soviet Union...they even helped him get the money to fight the Soviets in Afganistan...why wouldn't they help him to increase the supply and lower the price?..........

[Mike]

we, OPEC and Russia increased supply 11 times in 2008 and the price still went parabolic.. despite the sinking economy... and hit $147.
We don't control the oil prices, but oil prices control us.
we can address the issue of oil and gas dictating our policies by switching to renewables.
I hope this administration is fully committed to encouraging renewable energy investments and grid updates, as they promised in their campaign.

[Khramaya]

Friedman wrote an "acceptance speech":-) for Obama, and it sounds really good:
***********.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/opinion/11friedman.html?th&emc=th

[Светлана Гэмм]

don't want to argue much anymore...but 1. the things were somewhat different in the 80s than now 2. the OAPEC has been controlling price of oil somewhat through controlling the output for a while (I am not saying it has unlimited power on the price, but can sometimes affect it somewhat...it may not have had any effect in 2008 1.because the price has alrady peaked 2. the economy was already declining)...Saudis pump 25% of the World Oil...
I am not saying that asking Saudis to increase production in the 80s was the only effect ot bring the USSR down, but it was one of the many strategies...
btw, if Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize Nominee, would employ the same strategy as Reagan, attack the enemy economically, he can be successufl, but for that you have to have a vision and recognizing who are your enemies and how dangerous they are, instead of treating everyone the same...imo...

[Светлана Гэмм]

Question - if we increase the supply (like they did in 2008), and the price still continues going up to a certain point, can it be just be it takes some time for the market to correct itself (supply and demand)?...in addition to other factors like the state of the economy, etc...

[Светлана Гэмм]

In August of1985,the Saudis tired of this role. They linked their oil price tothespot market for crude and by early 1986 increased production from 2MMBPDto 5 MMBPD. Crude oil prices plummeted below $10 per barrel bymid-1986. Despite the fall in prices Saudi revenue remained about thesame with higher volumes compensating for lower prices.
***********.wtrg.com/prices.htm
interesting site about the whole crude oil history...you got me thinking and researching if it did had a real effect on prices than...btw, even in 2008 it eventually did an effect on price (it was cut in half eventually), it's just the goal of increased production in 2008 was different than it was in 1985 - in 2008 all they wanted is to sell as much as possible at the highest prices ever, in 1985 it was more political....

[Светлана Хаву]

Глава МИД Швеции Карл Бильдт, находящийся с визитом в России, выразил удивление в связи с присуждением Нобелевской премии мира президенту США.
"Если бы существовала Нобелевская премия за сюрприз, то мы бы присудили ее Нобелевскому комитету", - заявил Бильдт на пресс-конференции в Мурманске. :-D
Тем не менее, шведский министр сказал, что поздравляет президента США.

[Мария]

I hope this administration is fully committed to encouraging renewableenergy investments and grid updates, as they promised in their campaign
Oh, they are very committed. Such an opportunity to redistribute wealth around to their buddies in the green industries. Al Gore is very committed for sure. It's nice to be a billioner.(fr)

[Лина]

people in glass houses should not be talking about redistribution of wealth... *-)

[Мария]

WSJ had two insightful articles this week about Obama's Nobel.
1. A perfect Nobel Pick ( 10/13)
********tinyurl.com/yge24gj
2. A decadent Nobel (10/15)

********tinyurl.com/yhnt8rv
Both are great. (Y)

[Лина]

It's unfortunate that only winners are required to be gracious...
I too thought the award was a bit premature... until I read Alfred Nobel's original intent, as it is clearly spelled out in his will: ...to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind. …one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations and the abolition or reduction of standing armies and the formation and spreading of peace congresses.

[Oльга Манд]

Lena, I didn't get that..... people in glass houses should not be talking about redistribution of wealth... *-)

Was it some type of a mockery? was it aimed @ the quality of her living condition somehow?.....
If so........ it's pretty low..... very much RUSSIAN sort of thing...... :-D"Highly intelligent and educated":-D russian.

And yes people in the glass houses SHOULD talk about redistribution of wealth, becouse there are people outthere that don't have any houses, or even appartment, and live under the brige, or incardboard boxes....... wh wouldn't mind to get a piece of that someones glass house for free.

[Goldman]

becouse there are people outthere that don't have any houses, or evenappartment, and live under the brige, or incardboard boxes.......
Poor people have existed since the beginning of civilization and will always exist no matter what you do. Even in USSR some people lived in poverty. However, if you start going down the path of wealth redistribution, you stifle the initiative, the creative process that drives the progress and economy and end up with lines for milk at 5am. It just surprises the hell out of me that people who lived through the socialist regime at its "best" can still believe that you can somehow equalize incomes by taking money away from some and giving to others, who did not work hard for that money and do not deserve it. WAKE UP people!

[Васюкова]

"Перераспределители богатства" делятся на 2 основные группы: ИДИОТЫ и ПОДЛЕЦЫ.Вторая группа с удовольствием пользуется услугами и безмозглостью первой. Что доказано (УВЫ!) кровавой историей 20 века.

[Светлана Гэмм]

Nothing against renewable energy industry per se, more against promoting it as an opportunity to tax regular people and businesses (Cap&Trade) which can costs jobs and hurt growing economy...if someone wants to promote investments in such industries provide tax-credits for those who want to invest...quite different from taxing those who grow economy, businesses and provide jobs...

[Мария]

"Перераспределители богатства" делятся на 2 основные группы: ИДИОТЫ иПОДЛЕЦЫ.Вторая группа с удовольствием пользуется услугами ибезмозглостью первой. Что доказано (УВЫ!) кровавой историей 20 века.
(Y)
И к сожалению, обе группы продолжают пополняться. В наших краях недостатка в первых нету.

[Юля Антипова]

spreading of peace

Tina, with all do respect, he is spreding anything, but peace.

Вот муху он таки шлёпнул ловко, ничё не скажешь. А ещё с телепромптера читает здорово, главное чтобтекст был не переплутаный.

[Юля Антипова]

Oop, забыла сообчить, я Антипова не из Канадии.

Там где-то Славик посоветовал, мож Каралевна даст нашему Нобленосителю титул White Knight. Я так думаю этот титул скорее должен быть Black Knightmare.

[Олег Сах]

Где ж тебя носило??? Тут одна психопатка по всем группам наше имя полощет из-за одной твоей фразы...Welcome back , Юля

[Лина]

Я так думаю этот титул скорее должен быть Black Knightmare.
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and what would this group be withoutyet another racist (though mild by comparison) comment...

[Юля Антипова]

Ой Лина, Лина, либеральная вы наша, да угомонитесь со своими расистскими обвинениями. Сколько раз уже об этом говорилось, не в цвете дело, ну мама его таким родила, что ж ему теперь в бличе купацца шоли? Делишки его гнилые и то, что планирует -не нравицца.

[Юля Антипова]

К тому же, вы обратили внимание на тот факт, что если бы сейчас были выборы, то только 44% проголосовало бы за него, а может и меньше. Так что пусь уже сейчас подыскивает работу на будущее.

Думаю мухошлёпом, у него не плохо получаецца. Я даже знаю куда его послать.

[Лина]

Y nego seichas 56% approval rating... i kak mozhno tak yvereno govorit', ne znaya vtorogo kandidata?

[Юля Антипова]

Лина, во первыхэто игра слов. Во-вторых где вы когда-нибудь виделиWhiteKnightmare? Вы тут с претензией на умную, а пишите всякую ерунду.

Не знаю где вы взяли этот рэйтинг, по моему у вас галлюцинации. Опуститесь на землю and stop dreaming.

[Мария]

56% approval raiting for Obama - это по результатам опроса 8 слушателей радио " Air America".(H)

[Лина]

yeah, them and the Gallup Poll

***********.gallup.com/poll/123629/Obama-Job-Approval-56-After-Nobel-Win.aspx

[Mike]

***********.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/pubs/Harris_Poll_2009_10_16.pdf
i guess all polls differ on this.. 45% on Harris

[Юля Антипова]

Лина,хочется 56%?Так берите,я вам их дарю, пусть они согревают вам душу. Может вам за мечтанию тожекакую-нибудь премиюдадут?

Повторяю ещё раз: чем бы дитя не тешилось...

[Лина]

Ulya, mne voobsche bezrazlichno... esli bi Vi ne napisali 44%, Ya bi ne stala iskat' tzifry na internete... Vse-taki, etot vopros po moemy Vas bol'she volnyet.
Za mechtanie? Gallup Poll ne Ya vidymala - chestnoe slovo.

[Sweet]

<FONT color=black size=3 face="Arial CYR">Совпадение?

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<FONT color=black size=3 face="Arial CYR">В 1990-м году президент СССР Михаил Горбачев получил Нобелевскую премию мира.
В 1991-м году СССР не стало
В 1994-м Ицхак Рабин получил Нобелевскую премию мира.
В 1995-м году Ицхака Рабина не стало
В 2009-м году президент США Барак Обама получил Нобелевскую премию мира.
...ждём

[Лина]

Chto Vi zhdete? Chto Ameriki ne bydet, ili Vi v nego strelyat' sobralis'? V lubom slychae, Ya na Vashem meste, naclala bi pakavat' chemodani.

[Мария]

Ждём, что Америки, которую мы любим, не будет:-| А будет некий аппендикс Норвегии, с одним исключением: Американцам будет по-прежнему запрещено добывать собственную нефть, как это делает Норвегия ( и только за счёт нефти и живёт припеваючи).

[Sweet]

тут всего 2 варианта: или с ним случиться то что с Ицхаком или с нами случиться то что с СССР

[Sweet]

Lina--if you would be smart enough to see that I didnt actually made this up,,,,,you could be expecting some comment in 2010then we can talk more

[Васюкова]

Анекдот прислали из России по теме.
Звонит Обама в Нобелевский комитет узнать, как там дела. А ему из трубки: "Поздравляем!! Вы - десятый позвонивший! Вам полагается приз!"

[Лина]

Lana, thank you for clearingthat up for me... but you seemed to have missed the point

[Васюкова]

Нет, не надо, как с Ицхаком. Не надопустого приджака увековечивать. Есть другие, более сильные и болезненные способы. Мне почему-то кажется, что скоро он на чем-нибудь очень нехорошем попадется. (Это кроме нарушения Конституции, что-то этакое личное и нехорошее). У парниши на лице написано, что он не ангел.

[Мария]

but you seemed to have missed the point
This phrase is used too often by this avatar: I suspect there is no point (tr)

[Эдуард Кмэд]

Лине Т
на
and what would this group be withoutyet another racist (though mild by comparison) comment...
19.10.2009 08:28
Юле Антиповой на
Ой Лина, Лина, либеральная вы наша, да угомонитесь со своими расистскими обвинениями. Сколько раз уже об этом говорилось, не в цвете дело, ну мама его таким родила, что ж ему теперь в бличе купацца шоли? Делишки его гнилые и то, что планирует -не нравицца.
19.10.2009 08

[Эдуард Кмэд]

Девочки! Если вы читали мой пост
Маразм крепчал! Премия за снижения планки Америки до средне- Европейского уровня. Меня ни как не трогает цвет Обамовой кожи, но я не приемлю цвет его мыслей...
10.10.2009 20:01
Он президентом то стал из-за цвета кожи, потому что любому белому (буть он хоть приклонных годов ) не простилась и малая толика ериси и шатаний как при избрании, так и теперь в президенстве. А все кто против линии сползания Америки к Европейскому либерализму, или Российскому соц-демократизму, или в болото “умеренного» толибанства-муслиманства-палистианства…и еже с ними - расисты,

[Kim Lambert]

Эдуард - (Y)(Y)(Y).
Обама просто не справляется ни с чем, постоянно врёт, а в последнее время даже стал нападать на мидию от бессилия (FOX News), ну точно как Путин, запретивший свободу слова..... Обамовский медовый месяц прошёл, все готовы к разводу. Лично я республиканец последние 20 лет и избрание левого либерала Обамы (с его сомнительными связями и контактами) в президенты - тёмное пятно в американской истории. Но переживём и это. Удивительно только, что наши эмигранты, бившие себя в грудь как они ненавидели социализм в России, сейчас так требовательно требуют социализм в Америке....
Obama's "Share the Wealth" .......(N)(N)(N)8oI8oI8oI

[Лина]

This phrase is used too often by this avatar: I suspect there is no point
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or it's frequently missed by those with obvious reading comprehension problems - hence, the need to repeat myself *-)

[Павел Дуд]

Lina: esli ne v tzvete delo, zachem togda ypominat' ego tzvet?
Избрание чернокожего президента США - действительно важное событие в истории. Именно за это Обама получил нобелевскую премию. Однако норвежский нобелевский комитет не может признать этой причины (Нобель в своём завещании такой случай не предусмотрел), и поэтому, вместо честного заявления: "хотим, мол, дать премию, но не можем", Нобелевский комитет позорно юлит и пытается найти смехотворные обоснования заслуг Обамы.

[Лина]

Pavel, vot, chto napisano v zaveschanie: "to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind. …one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations and the abolition or reduction of standing armies and the formation and spreading of peace congresses. "
Ya do etogo tozhe schetala, chto oni pospeshili... Actually, I thought it should have been me. 8oI :-D

[Мария]

or it's frequently missed by those with obvious reading comprehension problems - hence, the need to repeat myself
Sounds like the Kindergarten curriculum is very strong on Reading Comprehension 101.

[Павел Дуд]

Лина: "to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind. …one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations and the abolition or reduction of standing armies and the formation and spreading of peace congresses. "
Интересно, как все это удалось сделать Обаме в 2008 году не будучи Президентом США ?

[Лина]

unfortunately, it would appear that your comprehension skills haven't advanced much beyond that level...

[Лина]

Интересно, как все это удалось сделать Обаме в 2008 году не будучи Президентом США ?
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a chto, obyazatel'no bit' Prezidentom, chto bi polychit' priz?

[Mike]

<font color="black" face="arial" size="2">There recently was a death of a 98 year-old lady named Irena. During WWII, Irena, got permission to work in the Warsaw<font style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;" color="blue" size="3">
Ghetto,as a Plumbing/Sewer specialist. She had an 'ulterior motive' .. SheKNEW what the Nazi's plans were for the Jews, (being German.) Irenasmuggled infants out in the bottom of the tool box she carried and shecarried in the back of her truck a burlap sack, (for larger kids..)She also had a dog in the back that she trained to bark when the Nazisoldiers let her in and out of the ghetto. The soldiers of coursewanted nothing to do with the dog and the barking covered thekids/infants noises.. During her time of doing this, she managed tosmuggle out and save 2500 kids/infants.

[Mike]

She was caught, and the Nazi's broke both her legs, arms and beat her severely. Irena kept a record of the names of all the kids she smuggled out and kept them in a glass jar, buried under a tree in her back yard. After the war, she tried to locate any parents that may have survived it and reunited the family. Most had been gassed. Those kids she helped got placed into foster family homes or adopted.
Last year Irena was up for the Nobel Peace Prize ... She was not selected. Al Gore won, for a slide show on Global Warming.

[Mike]

and there is actually a wiki page that talks about all that.. including the Nobel prize
********en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler

[Лина]

I thought the identity of the nominees cannot be revealed until 50 years later... not that she doesn't deserve it...

[Мария]

Всё равно, подвиг Ирины ни в какое сравнение не идёт с блестящим power point presentation Аль Горлионе про белых медведей. Всё-таки младенцев на земле полно, а медведей меньше. ( хотя они себе размножаются припеваючи, невзирая на приз Аль Гора. Более политически корректные белые медведи не стали бы так активно размножаться, могли бы и прикинуться бедными и несчастными, а то подводят великое дело по их спасению).;-)

[Светлана Хаву]

thw secret is who moninated the person. S in 50 years we will find out who nominated Obama.I hope I'll live that long:-D

[Лина]

The statutes of the Nobel Foundation restrict disclosure of information about the nominations, whether publicly or privately, for 50 years. The restriction concerns the nominees and nominators, as well as investigations and opinions related to the award of a prize.

********nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/process.html

[Светлана Хаву]

I guess they break the rules.
Sarkozy was nominated for Russia-Georgia conflict resolution.

[Светлана Гэмм]

actually if I had to nominate someone, I would nominate General Patreaus for his success in Iraq...

[Светлана Хаву]

france24.com - February 27, 2009
"The names of US President Barak Obama and France's President Nicolas Sarkozy are among a record 205 nominations for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize. Former French-Colombian hostage Ingrid Betancourt and Chinese dissident Hu Jia are also on the list. "
The names of nominees are kept secret by the institute for 50 years. But those who are entitled to nominate are allowed to reveal the name of the person or organisation they have proposed, if they wish to do so.

[Павел Дуд]

Я: Интересно, как все это удалось сделать Обаме в 2008 году не будучи Президентом США ?
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Лина: a chto, obyazatel'no bit' Prezidentom, chto bi polychit' priz?

Лина, не переводите в сторону. Будьте честны и признайте, что если бы Обама был белым, то никакой премии он бы не получил, даже если бы умел краснобайствовать еще лучше. Повторяю: его избрание Президентом - крупное историческое событие, как-никак первый чернокожий президент США. Но Нобелевская премия тут ни при чем. Зачем спорить-то по очевидным вещам?

[Павел Дуд]

Продолжаю. Более того, я считаю что правильно что Обама принял премию, иначетемные массы (особенно в третьем мире) восприняли бы отказ от премиикак нежелание США бороться за мир. Что я считаю неправильным? В-первых,позорное решение норвежского нобелевского комитета и, во-вторых, самфакт выдвижения Обамы на премию. Обама должен был не допустить этого вянваре 2009 года.

[Мария]

А в чём заключается борьба Америки за мир?
В заключении дружественных связей с Шавецами, Кастро, Мугабе и Ахмадинеджадами? В закрывании глаз на приближающуюся угрозу создания атомной бомбы в Иране, но в пафосном порыве уничтожить все Американские ядерные боеголовки, разрешив при этом России покопатсья в наших секретных материалах?
Разьясните уж, а то не совсем понятно, как мира добиться.

[Алексей Пэтк]

Maria, you must live in parallel reality. "Talking to" does not mean "establishing good relations". Who wants to destroy only American warheads?
Look, 30 years of Cuban blockade did not work. This is a fact. Why not try another strategy? Only idiots "stay the course" when the approach does not work.

[Мария]

30 years of Cuban blockade did not work.
Did not work for what?
Who else's warheads will be destroyed?
Russian?:-D They are so old, that they will fall apart by themselves.
On a more serious note, being flirtatious with thugs like Shavez dose not help people in Venesuela, who struggle for true democracy. It really demoralizes their efforts.
Or take Honduras! The president who started to exhibit authoritarian behavior was removed from power by the parliament according to their Constitution, and Obama condemned their actions ( because that guy is Shavez's friend).
Don't you see that Obama is not the kind of leader who want to advance Democracy in the world?

[Лина]

Don't you see that Obama is not the kind of leader who want to advance Democracy in the world?
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don't you see that you're just blinded by hate or racism - or maybe even both.
GW was the kind of leader who wanted to advance democracy in the world - dobrovol'no-prinyditel'no

[Алексей Пэтк]

help people in Venesuela, who struggle for true democracy.
People deserve their government. How do those "people" in Venezuela struggle if Chavez get re-elected with flying colors? C'mon, oil is expensive, he get lots of money for it from the US (what do you drive, if I may ask? :-)), which he redistributes among the population.
They are so old, that they will fall apart by themselves.
No, they won't. American warheads are as old the Russian ones. It's the missiles that get old. But, once again, with the price of oil so high, who at the end pays for refurbishing of Russian arsenals?

[Алексей Пэтк]

30 years of Cuban blockade did not work.
Did not work for what?
The goal of the blockade was to topple communist regime in Cuba. Did it work? No. Is Castro's family still in power? Yes. What exactly did the blockade do? Nothing.
The only way to deal with "closed-out" countries like Cuba or North Korea is to make them open, to show people how they can live free -- not through the government-controlled TV. Remember "Golos Ameriki"?

[Лина]

Conservatives praise Reagan for ending the cold war... How do you think that happened?

[Лина]

Лина, не переводите в сторону. Будьте честны и признайте, что если бы Обама был белым, то никакой премии он бы не получил, даже если бы умел краснобайствовать еще лучше. Повторяю: его избрание Президентом - крупное историческое событие, как-никак первый чернокожий президент США.
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Opyat' zhe, eto prosto Vashe mnenie...
A vot, chto pishyt na nobelpeaceprize.org: "The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons."
Byd'te Vi chestni, i priznaite, chto vozmozhno v Vas est' nemnogo rasizma.

[Лина]

" Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened."

[Лина]

" Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.
For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges." "
********nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/home/announce-2009/

[Павел Дуд]

Лина: Byd'te Vi chestni, i priznaite, chto vozmozhno v Vas est' nemnogo rasizma.
Ну вот, когда нет доводов, начинается эта гадость.
Вы снова переводите тему, Лина. Я даю объяснение выдаче премии, а Вы тыкаете в несуществующий расизм. Это то же самое как на заявление Дарвина о происхождении человека, объявить его скрытым зоофилом по отношению к обезьянам.
Повторю вопрос снова: "Если бы Обама был белым, получил бы он премию за ... (по тексту Нобелевского постановления)?"
Отсутствие Вашего ответа означает, что Вы понимаете, что нет, не получил бы. Зачем лукавить? Мы же не дети.

[Мария]

Я согласна, что когда Детскому Садику нечего сказать, но сказать обязательно что-то надо, то начинается песенка про расизм. Снежинка , наверное, училась в школе Джесси Джексона и Аль Шарптона. А может работает на Жёлудь. Там её научили, как надо лихо отбивать любые аргументы против обамы.
А вы правда думаете, что Нобель дали за то, что он негр? Мне кажется, что будь на месте Обамы любой другой радикал-марксист, который бы начал переделывать Америку под Норвежский идеал, он бы тоже получил Нобеля.

[Sasha Оli]

Обаме дали премию только потому, что он крайне левый, и к тому же это был демарш в сторону Буша и вообще консерваторов. В Европе очень силен анти-американизм и они как бы предчувствуют что это тот самый президент, который своими либеральными прыжками ослабит Америку, а европейцам это только на руку (новые рынки, евро, сферы влияния и тд). Ну а то что он черный, так это ему только помогло.

[Kim Lambert]

This whole thing of Obama's prize is a major BS + Brown Nosing. Revolting.

8oI

[Лина]

Вы снова переводите тему, Лина. Я даю объяснение выдаче премии, а Вы тыкаете в несуществующий расизм.
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Net, Pavel, Vi prosto virazhaete svoe sub'ektivnoe mnenie, i dymaete, chto eto istina. Ya yzhe pisala, chto ne schitala, chto on zaslyzhil premiu, pokamest ne prochitala zaveschanie... Esli bi Ya schitala, chto premiu vidali iz za ego tzveta kozhi, tak zhe ne schital bi, chto on ee zaslyzhil. Dazhe Vashi storonniki v etoi teme, ne soglasni s Vami - xotya oni prosto ego ne lubyat iz za tzveta. Pavel, Vi imete pravo dymat', chto xotite, no pozhalyista, ne govorite mne, chto ya dymau.

[Лина]

Я согласна, что когда Детскому Садику нечего сказать, но сказать обязательно что-то надо, то начинается песенка про расизм. Снежинка , наверное, училась в школе Джесси Джексона и Аль Шарптона. А может работает на Жёлудь. Там её научили, как надо лихо отбивать любые аргументы против обамы.
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A "zhenschine" kotoraya pishet svoe imya s malen'koi bykvi, voobsche lychshe bi molchat' - srazy bi ymnee viglyadela. Idite pomolites', srazy na dyshe legche stanet... mozhet i nenavist' togda tozhe proidet.

[Мария]

Anyway, what do you think of Condoleeza Rice? Would you vote for her if she ran against Hillary Clinton?

[Лина]

I don't have anything against Condoleeza, but I think I would vote for Hillary...However,I would definitelychoose Condoleeza over Palin.

[Алексей Пэтк]

I don't think you can hold it against Obama for being awarded the Prize. It's those Norwegians... :-)

[Мария]

I don't have anything against Condoleeza, but I think I would vote forHillary...However,I would definitelychoose Condoleeza over Palin.
Well, if you don't vote for Condoleeza, you are a racist. There is no other explanation. Hillary is white, Condoleeza is black. If you don't support her conservative ideas, you are a racist. ( based on your logic:-S )

[Лина]

Obviously logic is not your strong suit... I never said that I wouldn't, I only said that I don't think I would - meaning that I might. I also said that I would choose Condoleeza over Palin (who in case you haven't noticed, happens to be white), but you conviniently skipped that part. Not voting for Condoleeza or Obama doesn't make one a racist, constantly referring to their color or calling either of them a monkey, does.

[Светлана Гэмм]

it makes them a patriot :-| white AND black republicans can be (tr) called any kind of animals names, and it's all cool...

[Мария]

And besides, you are backpedaling now. You got caught with your own sick logic.
I may use another example: would you vote for Clarence Thomas or Bill Clinton for president? if you are a liberal, obviously, you would vote for Clinton. So, does this make you a racist for not agreeing with Clarence Thomas?
You have to see how stupid your accusation of racism are.
There are some really great black conservatives, and we love them! Unfortunately, not enough yet.
I am trying to do my little part in helping that cause: I send donations on a regular basis to Black Conservative organizations, which work on promoting conservative ideas among the black people.

[Лина]

where exactly am I backpedaling?
just because you'reignorant of your racist attitude, doesn't mean that it's not there... you failing tosee the difference between calling a black man a monkey, versus a white man, only further underscores that fact.

[Павел Дуд]

Девушки, помилуйте, не надо ссориться...
Уважаемый г-н Кац: я готов допустить, что если бы вместо Обамы избрали чернокожего консерватора, то премии он бы не получил. То есть политические взгляды Обамы и его соответствующая работа языком безусловно повлияли на решение. Я просто считаю, что это влияние вторично, а чернокожесть - первична. Вы же, насколько я понимаю, ставите их в ином порядке. Спорить здесь бессмысленно, в отличие от философского спора о первичности бытия или сознания, наши позиции не сильно отличаются: оба пункта необходимы для получения премии. Поэтому белокожий демократ левого фланга, выбившийся в президенты, не получил бы премии. И наоборот, чернокожий консерватор тоже бы не прошел.

[Sasha Оli]

Г-н Дубовский, в этом у нас позиции абсолютно схожие и первичное и вторичное в данном случае ничего не меняет - одного без другого не было бы. Меня немного раздражают обвинения некоторых либералов в расизме всех кому не нравится политика сегодняшней администрации. А Вы заметили, что в основном это белые ультра либералы. Этого и следовало ожидать, хотя сразу же после выборов была надежда что хотя бы расовое напряжение в стране, имеется в виду reverse discrimination, пойдет на убыль, но нет, стало хуже.

[Павел Дуд]

Да, Алекс, существуют группы людей, от которых идут обвинения в расизме, стоит только покритиковать. Критику "цвета мыслей" они немедленно переносят на цвет кожи. Это отражение довольно широко распространенного ханжества и лицемерия. И это недалеко ушло от черного пацана-примитива, который начал вопить о моем расизме, когда в поезде я вежливо предложил ему сидеть не на двух, а на одном сидении.

[Павел Дуд]

А вот то, что в стране усилилось расовое напряжение - интересное наблюдение. Я пока не задумывался.

[Sasha Оli]

Усилилось в том плане что любая критика администрации воспринимается как расовая неприязнь, это как бы последний аргумент, когда все остальные исчерпаны. Причем это на любом уравне, начиная с либеральной прессы и кончая спикером конгресса. Слава богу это пока не проявляется на бытовом уровне, но Вы же понимаете, ничего не исключено.

[Олег Сах]

Проявляется на бытовом уровне. Еще как. Поговорите с людьми рабоатющими в predominantly black коллективах.

[Lena G]

"Биг-маки для голодных,
Страховки для больных.
Через четыре года
Не будет больше их".
"С Кореей Ким-Чен-Ира
Мы будем говорить.
Иран не быть упрямым
Мы сможем убедить."
"Перекуем в орала
Ракетный арсенал.
О да, мы это можем!"
Он громко прокричал.
Он умный, загорелый,
И Штатов президент.
С улыбкой белозубой.
Пришел его момент!
Барак Хусейн Мессия -
Не правда ли - звучит?!
Он все народы мира
В любви объединит!
Весь свет уже смеется
Над Осло от души.
Теперь за красноречие
Подарки хороши.
От зависти несчастен
В аиде Цицерон.
В раю сам Дизраэлли
Сей вестью удручен.
Щедрее, чем в Элладе
За ритора урок.
Парламентские дяди
Дают деньжат мешок.
В душе их нет пристрастия,
Как ангелы чисты.
Но головы их светлые,
К прискорбию, пусты.
И хочется смеяться,
Хоть плакать в самый раз.
Дают авансом премию
За две войны зараз.
..........................
Но был лауреатом
И Ясир Арафат.
А в будущем получит
И Ахмадинеджад.

Алексей С. Железнов.

[Lena G]

На всю страну Норвегию
Один певец Рыбак.
И тот из Белоруссии,
Обидно, братцы, как.
Нет цирков изобилия,
Не знают КВН;
Но комитет есть Нобеля
Хазанова взамен.
За труд на пользу мира,
Для блага всей Земли,
Там премии престижные
Давно учреждены.
Барак Хусейн Обама
Их так заговорил,
Что приз за краснобайство
От них он получил.
Барак его достоин,
Мы все должны понять:
Кто делать не умеет -
Тот должен обещать.
"Евреев и арабов
Научим мирно жить!
И Маугли с Шер-ханом
Заставим мы дружить"!

[Lena G]

Стих для умных детей про Нобелевскую премию и дядю Обаму президента.
Эпиграф.
А в Африке, а в Африке,
На черной Лимпопо.
От смеха разрывается
Веселый Гипопо.
(По мотивам К. Чуковский.)



Норвегия, Норвегия,
Прекрасная страна.
Есть нефть, селедка, скумбрия,
И фьордов глубина.
Чиновники норвежские
Боятся воровать.
И генералы смелые
Не любят воевать.
В Норвегии, в Норвегии
Несчастным быть грешно.
Но есть одна проблема:
Норвегам не смешно.
Там холодно, там пасмурно,
И в море не нырнешь.
Гнетет тоска ужасная
И стар, и молодежь.