Is FOX News good or bad for the Republican Party?

[Славик Саж]

It's excellent ... not just for republicans but for everyone and that is why its # 1 news channel in all time slots

[Гера Така]

I agree. I caught some CNN clips lately... what a BS... they called the Health Care Tea Partied - "anti-government protests".(N)
Fox is the best!

[Mike]

Fox News is good for NEWS corporation..
they are the number 1 network news channel.
they don't and should not care how good they are to any political party.
as on the subject - they are good for the republicans of course.. no other station brings up issues from the republican perspective.

[Светлана Гэмм]

Julia, why would Fox news be bad for anybody?
I know Obama doesn't like it very much - doesn't miss any opportunity to chestize it, but it only because it's the ONLY news channel that holds his feet to the fire...

[Славик Саж]

У меня в гостях месяц назад был мой одноклассник который прожил 17 лет во Франции и недавно переехал в Канаду. Он либерал от и до, from hating Bush to 9/11 conspiracy. Так вот он пожаловался что не может найти нормальный канал новостей, где "ругаются, спорят и обсуждают". Я посоветовал ему FOX News - ему очень понравилось!

[Светлана Гэмм]

Кстати, мои политические взгляды стали формироваться после того, что я начала смотреть CNN, MSNBC...я почувствовала что, что-то не так...а Fox не имела очень долго после этого, больше начала слушать радио, потом уже заказала Fox...

[Cветлана Одк]

К сожалению, это единственный канал , который более менее правого толка, хотя не очень и консервативный последнее время. Когда-то раньше Bill O'Reilly был более независимым, а сейчас тоже шмузает ближе к центру. Глен Бэк и Шан Хэнити- ещё как-то держатся. А вот на консервативных радио идёт просто настоящий погром. и как мне кажется,если-бы республиканская партия не ушла от консерватизма, в настоящем его понимании, не проиграла бы тогда с таким позором.

[Khramaya]

Those were commentaries about mainly ....commentators.
How about quality of reporting?
How about comparative journalistic standards?

[Mike]

hmm.. does it really have anything to do with being good or bad for Republican Party?
as on quality of reporting.. Julia, come on.. NYT is your bible :)
and FOX is like the pillar of integrity compare to NYT

[Мария]

If you want to talk about journalism -FOX that's where the real journalism is these days. Look at the Acorn story with two undercover journalists -that's really daring! Would any other channel even allow them at their door???
Or take Glenn Beck breaking story about Van Jones? These are the examples of real investigative journalism. Everything is TRUE.
So, what is the problem with a news channel that tell us the truth?
So, who has any valid objections?
FOX is becoming so consequential that the White House has no other option but starting throwing mud at it.

[Мария]

***********.youtube.com/watch?v=B_Xtis39DxI&feature=player_embedded
Как такое может не нравиться?
Glenn Beck is making fun of the new WH communication director:-D Прикол!

[Алексей Пэтк]

Fox News promotes the ideas of the very right of the Republican party, so IMHO, it does not serve the ideals of the whole party.
Personally, I don't like the style. I like when news channel reports the news, not interpretation of the news.

[Гера Така]

Алексей чего то перепутал.


FOX - is fair and balanced.(v)(Y)

CNN - Political correct Party Line.(N)and other BS.

[Олег Сах]

I don't really like watching Fox News. It states the obvious with too much vigor. Although it's the only news outlet reporting from the other side, it does it with arrogance similar to CNN's. Unfortunately, considering the fact that we're being fed the same mush by EVERY other news source but Fox, Fox is the only place to turn to. But it's sad.

[Mike]

no news is fair and balanced..
news organizations have nothing to gain from being impartial.
they only have to gain from flaming.
is your job as a viewer to strip away bullshit and spin and figure out what the real news are.

[Олег Сах]

To answer a title question: I don't think it has any role in the life of republican party. It might seem to be a рупор for them, but let's not forget that majority of the Americans are very independent thinking people.

[Лина]

Everything is TRUE.
So, what is the problem with a news channel that tell us the truth?
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this is the saddest part of all... :'(

[Славик Саж]

Как может cable news channel быть обсолютно независимым, не обсуждать события, и выдавать только факты? Тогда это будет 11 o'clock news или бегущая строка.
Что то вроде этого:
7:00АМ Обама receives Nobel Prize; 7:15AM $1.4 mil is missing from stimulus package; Today - 64 degrees mostly cloudy

[Лина]

That statement reminds me of posts I frequently read in the russian groups: Russia is always right, it's on the side of truth and justice, and so on and so forth...As I said earlier, you can take the girl out of the USSR...

[Mike]

славик, а кто говорит каким он должен быть? он должен быть таким что бы maximize the shareholders value ( this sounds so 80ies ).
Это уже наша работа, как телезрителей to apply critical thinking to crap that's been thrown at us by TV, radio, newspapers, etc.

[Славик Саж]

Mike, Алексей сказал:
I like when news channel reports the news, not interpretation of the news.

[Славик Саж]

I know they don't.
But it's Алексей's preference which he can't have and therefore going to the next best thing - Fox News
;-)

[Светлана Гэмм]

About being everything true - can someone name ONE instance when what was reported on Fox was not true?
I can name dozens of such what was reported on other "fair" channels and publications...
The most recent one that comes to mind was not that long ago - on MSNBC they were reporting (actually criticizing) on the town hall meetings and telling how people were showing up with assault weapons and being very close to Obama - suggesting that those crazy white violent men-racists who just hate Obama because of his race, and they are mad because of it...then they showed a back of that man with the weapon and didn't show the whole person...
But in reality the person with the assault weapon was BLACK...and the viwers of MSNBC got the wrong picture...thanks to Fox, the bias and agenda (to show that Obama critics are racists) were exposed...

[Светлана Гэмм]

About USSR not being able to take from someone - not that long agosomeone was convincing everyone that life there was not that bad, andthat Jews were to blame for the holocaust...so look in the mirror...
and exactly because the other side reminds us a lot about the USSR, we support the opposite us - closer to the American principles...

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.youtube.com/watch?v=uHHoDl2UPSo&feature=related

this is the video showing the reporting about the event...look at how much histeria they putting into it WHEN they know perfectly well that the person was BLACK...no wonder MSNBC has almost zero viewership...

[Лина]

About USSR not being able to take from someone - not that long agosomeone was convincing everyone that life there was not that bad, andthat Jews were to blame for the holocaust...so look in the mirror...
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(md)(md)(md)(md)(md)(md)You really should look into reading comprehension... no wonder FOX News is your gospel
and exactly because the other side reminds us a lot about the USSR, we support the opposite us - closer to the American principles...
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I really don't care who supports what, it's the blind devotion that I find so disturbing.

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.youtube.com/watch?v=7syx26QtQIM&feature=related
this is the actual man with assault rifle...funny...:-)
я даже об тебя (кто ты там есть мараться не буду)...давай начинай свои старые штучки...весели нас...:-)

[Mike]

all news stations have made misleading statements and distorted reality.
i find factcheck.org to be the best arbitrator of these statements.
a quick search of their site finds thing like this:
********factcheck.org/2009/08/cash-for-clunkers/

[Лина]

я даже об тебя (кто ты там есть мараться не буду
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you slay me... do you even read what you write?

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.youtube.com/watch?v=mqfuZ7hiap0
this is the video where Beck discusses the issue...tell me what's false there...

[Светлана Гэмм]

yeah, not feeling like getting into the whole deal(sr) ...just discussing something about the intrusion of privacy by the government (the statements did sound suspicious), doesn't mean distorting the truth...and it made Factcheck to clarify with the government officials, I guess...
anyone knows who that Kimberly Guilfoyle person is?...she used to be a DA in San Fran AND an ex-wife of...............Gavin Newson :-O :-O :-O (SF mayor)...and who knows why they got divorced?..........(dt)

[Лина]

I don't remember seeing any privacy act and security statement on cars.gov, nor do I remember having todisclose anypersonal information... Glenn Beck is a giant ass formisinforming and scaring the crap out ofthe dimwitted.

[Mike]

Beck brought up an issue that was caused by awkward wording on the website and blew it out of proportion.
Was it outright lie? No, but was it a distortion of the truth? Yes.
Just like all news commentators spin the facts to get their agenda across.
Although Beck is probably one of the better once on TV.
Just have to take everything with a grain of salt.

[Светлана Гэмм]

of course, every conservative commentator is "biased" because they look at issues from the conservative perspective - issues that are important and meaningful to them...
but they don't report the news - they discuss them...the news are reported by the news anchor every 30 minutes or so...but the example that I showed with MSNBC was with the news anchor...

[Mike]

I never heard Greta and don't even know shoe Sheppard is :)
I do know that Greta is a scientologist and those people freak me out!

[Светлана Гэмм]

Greta is dem, lawyer, used to work for CNN...left them during the beginning of the Iraq war...said they were not patriotic...
about "distorting the truth", I'd say if Beck did know for a fact at the time of reporting it was not accurate and still continued reporting it - I'd call it distorting...but he was just discussing it from how he was understanding it...imo...

[Mike]

of all commentators i think Rachel Meadow takes the cake though..
i only heard her for like 20 minutes when she was discussing ACORN and i thought i would just die laughing

[Светлана Гэмм]

plus, O'Reilly, Hannity, Brute...always, or most of the times, invite both sides to discuss an issue or respond to something...some commentators, such as Keith Olbermann never ever has conservatives on...CNN has someone like David Gergen, who is not really a conservative, some moderate who basically agrees with them most of the times...so he is just there to criticize conservatives FROM the "conservative" side most of the times...:-)

[Светлана Гэмм]

***Britt Humes, not Brutes (md)
and one of the most fun programs on Fox is Red Eye...it is on on weekends at midnight...now that's funny! (fr)

[Светлана Гэмм]

Fox is very good for the Republican party and for anyone, for that matter, who wants to learn about the issues from trully both sides...what's bad for the republican party is the politicians who republicans elect and who don't follow on their promices or stray from the principles...then the general public doesn't really see the difference between the parties..

[Брандман]

It's all right to have a discussion about Fox News reporters, everyone has their own opinion. As for me I completely agree with Svetlana's statements. Most of reports are fair and balanced. Now Sean Hannity continues Glenn's Beck investigation on Obama's tsars. This time is Kevin Jenning, he is the founder of gays, lesbians and straight education network.
And that war, which WH with Obama started against Fox News only diminishes his role as a president.

[Mike]

Hmm.. where was Glen Beck with Bush tsars?
I think Bush had more of then then Obama on the last count...

[Светлана Гэмм]

well, Beck was not on TV then...plus Bush had to appoint a lot of them because of the new national security measures, plus lots of conservatives did criticize Bush for growing the Federal government...and the most important thing conservatives like Beck don't trust people like Obama and people he appoints with the socialistic background...*-) :-)

[Светлана Гэмм]

the count is Bush-31, Obama-32
********en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czars

[Светлана Гэмм]

I just looked at that website with all the czars...and I see why Beck has so many objections - most Bush's czars were confirmed by the Senate (meaning they have gone through the vetting process...Obama's czars have not..that's WHY Beck has to do an investigation on them...(dt) (hu) :-)

[Mike]

most Obama tsars have been confirmed
***********.factcheck.org/2009/09/czar-search/
In all, of the 32 positions in Beck’s list, only eight are Obama-appointed, unconfirmed, brand new czars.

[Светлана Гэмм]

********blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/10/capitol-hill-turns-up-the-heat-on-criticism-of-president-obamas-czars-.html
well, something wrong about that site - factcheck - the number of Bush's czars is wrong and the confirmation doesn't coincide with wiki...even democrats are worried about Obama's czars...

[Mike]

feel free to check sources listed on factcheck.org
i have done it several times before and they checked out every time.
i will believe them way before wikipedia, but if you like i can fix the wiki entry right now.

[Светлана Гэмм]

here you go..I felt something was odd...
Senator Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the ChicagoAnnenberg Challenge, which was a Division, or Project, of the AnnenbergFoundation.the one with a board connected to William Ayers and BarackObama.
fackcheck is owned by Annenberg

[Mike]

it's not owned.. it's funded by the foundation..
but if you think factcheck is biased for Obama read this:
********factcheck.org/2009/02/fact-checking-obamas-speech/

[Лина]

FactCheck.org is a non-partisan,[1] nonprofit[2] website that describes itself as a "'consumer advocate' for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics."[3] It is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, and is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation


Where does it say owned?

[Светлана Гэмм]

I wonder if there is an official government site with all the czars and confirmations...

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26779.html
this is what I found...according to this, only 6 have been confirmed..

[Mike]

i suggest your read the factcheck article and not just scan it.
there is also a lot of supporting info.

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Czars.pdf
check this out - they claim Bush had this many czars, but then list deputy secretaries and undersecretaries as czars...those are not czars - those are positions within the cabinets...

[Лина]

I wonder if there is an official government site with all the czars and confirmations...
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czar is not an official title, so how can there be?
whitehouse.gov lists all2009 nominations and appointments, and factcheck has a list of Obama&39;s czars
***********.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Czars.pdf, if one has nothing better to do, they can go through them one by one...

[Лина]

check this out - they claim Bush had this many czars, but then list deputy secretaries and undersecretaries as czars...those are not czars - those are positions within the cabinets...
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don't they do the same for Obama?

[Светлана Гэмм]

for good fox news programming check out their website - in the morning it's mostly news, in the afternoon it's special programming plus news every half hour...
just to conclude this issues with czars
1. Even if there was less criticism about this issue during Bush doesn't mean the issue doesn't deserve attention now (in defence of Bush, he was intially against the Homeland Department creation and special postions, but then he caved in to the pressure)
2. The quality of people Obama appoints make people vey suspicious of the whole process and its legality...
3.Only nine out of over 30 Obama's 'czars' have been confirmed, at least 15 for Bush...
4.Always a good thing to question your government and their action...kinda slows them down...))maybe....

[Лина]

3.Only nine out of over 30 Obama's 'czars' have been confirmed, at least 15 for Bush...
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Perhaps I'm missing something about this czar confirmation process... but, Bush served 2 terms, Obama has been in office less than a year...

[Лина]

4.Always a good thing to question your government and their action...kinda slows them down...))maybe....
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even better when it's done without ulterior motives and not just to the opposing side...

[Лина]

2. The quality of people Obama appoints make people vey suspicious of the whole process and its legality...
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because GW's appointees were beyond reproach... *-)

[Мария]

Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia. For example, today some leftist Limbo haters put a false accusation of him on Wiki. Limbaugh is sending every single commentator or politician ( like Al Sharpton) who cited that wiki reference a letter, demanding the proof of facts. And the second letter demanding an apology or retrieval of the accusation.
And after that -libel lawsuit? I hope he succeeds with those creeps. Thank God he has enough $$$ to beat the crap out of those liars.

[Mike]

the point was NOT who has mot tsars.. probably Obama will have more by the end of the term..
the point was to show that people like Beck are not fair and balanced..
Not that there is anything wrong with it..

[Алексей Пэтк]

4.Always a good thing to question your government and their action...kinda slows them down...))maybe....
Especially when Republicans are in power. Then Fox News is the ultimate place that questions the government. :-)

[Светлана Гэмм]

Democrats in Congress who never questioned Bush's czars are now worried about Obama's...are they not fair and balanced?
Beck WAS very harsh on Bush and his bailout and spendings (don't remember about czars)...
Bush had EIGHT years to appoint various czars (some positions lasted only a year or two)...the reason it worries so many people IS because it's not about to stop and they want check and balances (oversight of the Congress)...otherwise, those czars have unlimited power because most of them report only to the president...
remember very well people like Savage was mumbling on the Radio about Bush's czars....

[Светлана Гэмм]

Алексей, republicans were very harsh on Bush too...it's just people with your views would not see it because they issues that worries them are vastlt different - conservatives brought Bush's immigration reform down, were very much against all bailouts, stimulus...
they did, however, supported him on the war on terror issues...

[Алексей Пэт]

Svetlana, how do you know what my views are? Do you even know if I vote Democrat or Republican?
Yes, Beck was critical of Bush. :-) I remember him defending Bush's handouts to oil companies: "...this helped companies. Oil companies are companies. Deal with that" [very close to actual text. Google it to see what he said exactly]. It was very nice to see him to attack Obama's handouts to car companies with the same vigor. It makes him a very unbiased and well-balanced journalist.

[Светлана Гэмм]

what handouts to the oil companies? show me the link...:-)
aren't you a liberal?
and conservatives also were critical of Bush's Supreme Court nominee, so she took her name down...so they don't support whatever Bush does 100%...

[Алексей Пэтк]

A couple of formulas:
1. BBC + NPR + CNNHeadlineNews - FoxNews - MSNBC = good reporting.
2. Glen Beck = Keith Olbermann
Unfortunately, there is not a single unbiased news outlet. Only the aggregate source + some personal "unbullsh#ting" would give you a somewhat unbiased news.

[Mike]

FOX was never really harsh on Bush, even when he was fucking up.
They are very harsh on Obama, does not matter what he does.
But, i assume, most people watch FOX with understanding this is
what they would do.
The same reason people read NYT or watch MSNBC because they wanna see more left commentary.

[Алексей Пэтк]

Yeah, what is my definition of "is". :-)
"+" means "combined with". As I said, only watching several outlets could give you a somewhat unbiased point of view.

[Светлана Гэмм]

Like I said before - conservatives on Fox were critical of a lot of things republicans in Congress wanted to do but the conservative base didn't agree with, and they were not shy to be critical about it...has Fox been fair to Bush?..I think so...but fair doesn't mean not critical...
There has been a lot of criticism about Obama on Fox...the good thing is a lot of Obama supporters are invited to let them state the other side of the story...other channels have never done it with Bush - the republican side rarely has an opportunity to respond to the criticism there...

[Mike]

Sveta, i don't watch FOX or any other news organization a LOT, but it's very clear how FOX is biased..
It was great actually on Jon Stewart yesterday..
There was a pretty large gay rally in DC (70,000 people +) and FOX spent 3.5 minutes within 24 hour period covering it.
They spent more time covering some school protest.
If this is not bias i don't know what is.

[Алексей Пэт]

Mike, I didn't say that. I did say that they serve as a source of information. And they have less BS than Fox and MSNBC.

[Светлана Гэмм]

what gay rally? I didn't hear anything about the gay rally...
I did read about it on Drudge - gays protesting Obama not paying attention to their "issue"...
Aлексей, if you support auto-bailout and you are fair, you have to give credit to Bush for doing - the republican base is not supportive of it and rightly so because it's a waste of taxpayers money - nothing will help a failing company run by the unions...

[Светлана Гэмм]

oh, I see your point - they were not covering it enough...but what's there to cover?...

[Алексей Пэтк]

.otherchannels have never done it with Bush - the republican side rarely hasan opportunity to respond to the criticism there...
So, it is not Glenn Beck, who I see on CNN from time to time? I got to check my vision... :-)

[Mike]

Aleksey, IMHO NPR is like the bullshit champion of the world..
besides being totally annoying and constantly asking for contributions their shows have more bias then MSNBC and FOX combined.
Sometimes when i drive long distance NPR is the only station i get and i find myself yelling at the radio "you are lying idiots!!!" :-D
Don't know about BBC, never watch.

[Алексей Пэт]

it's a waste of taxpayers money
Ok. Let's take Flint -- a city that was defined by car industry. Plants close, people lose jobs and go on welfare. Who pays for welfare? Taxpayers? Crime goes up, property prices go down, other businesses leave the city. A very good business model.

[Алексей Пэтк]

Beck was on the main CNN, he was on their Headline news channel, I think...
Doesn't that invalidate your initial point though?

[Светлана Гэмм]

not really because CNN news anchors very often dicuss some issues and don't have anyone from the republican side to respond to it...Beck had his own program and discussed the issues he choose..and he was only there since 2006....what about before that?
on Fox in the morning we have news anchors constantly invite both sides (like congress people) to state their opinion about the news...

[Светлана Гэмм]

oh,,,my bad..Beck was NOT on main CNN, but on the headline channel...sorry...:-$

[Mike]

the purpose of each channel is to gain/retain viewership and to make money.
if FOX or CNN could put a talking money on the air to gain the 18-45 audience they would totally do it.
Beck is a popular TV personality and i believe there was a bidding war between CNN and FOX at some point for him.

[Гера Така]

Flint, just like Pontiac and for that matter Detroit is going down, because of the business tax policies promoted and implemented by our dear Michigan State and their citiesgovernments. The policies that make impossible for business to survive, therefore taking the jobs somewhere else...;-)

Hello Jennifer Granholm... very nice business model from a Harvard grad.(N)

[Светлана Гэмм]

don't you, guys, have like an almost 20% umeployment in Michigan?...so has the bailout been helpful?...maybe there is something else wrong in your state...
you just don't put a bandaid on the big problem for the immidiate benefit (to stop some bleeding) when the underlying problem is the Stage IV fracture and there is a need of a serious surgery...

[Олег Сах]

Svetlana, how do you know what my views are? Do you even know if I vote Democrat or Republican?
This is an excellent point. So many times we're being stereotypically branded by people making conclusions based on just one of our views. One of my non-online friends always bundles up all of my views with the ones he heard from some burn-the-arabs-alive "republicans" from Odessa. I am my own person. So is Алексей. I supported war in Iraq, but am pro gun control, I am anti abortion, but was against the Gov't bailout of auto industry. I hate people who carry a specific set of values that they share with the rest of the herd.

[Алексей Пэтк]

If this is so, let's blame both her and Mike Bishop, the (Republican) leader of the state senate. He is the one who is responsible for the state budget.
He is also responsible for the state constantly cutting support for the public Universities in the state. But who needs them, right?

[Светлана Гэмм]

burn-the-arabs-alive "republicans" from Odessa
this is a very cheap shot!...where did you get that from?...your judgements are very questionable...(tr)

[Гера Така]

Michgan is in recession since 2001... When our favorite Canadian born Harvard education socialite - Jennifer came to power. Ever since they are struggling with balancing the budget because she is promoting bunch of her ideas.

- Michiga hiked business taxes (the highest in the nation)
- Michigan led the neighbouring Canada to bring the trash and dump it on our land
- Michigan promotes the casino gambling because they hooked the School budget to the taxes on gambling
- Jennifer was called the best Governor by Obama himself
- BTW- we had the highest unemployment before Obama came to power...


Cheers...(D)(D)(D)

[Олег Сах]

burn-the-arabs-alive "republicans" from Odessa
this is a very cheap shot!...where did you get that from?...your judgements are very questionable...(tr)
Sveta, learn to read. Odessa is a big city. My friend works with this guy, has nothing to do with you!!!!

[Светлана Гэмм]

Алексей, I made conclusions about your political leanings from other groups too...you don't support one conservative position...so you can call yourself any name you want, but your views are mostly liberal to me...
about cutting money to state universities - my suggestion is you look at the numbers yourself...liberals have a tendecy to call it "cuts" if there is no significant increases...and one more point - I understand that some people's livelihoods depend on government money, but what do you suggest to do if there is no money in the budget?

[Светлана Гэмм]

Sveta, learn to read. Odessa is a big city. My friend works with this guy, has nothing to do with you!!!!
is your friend in this group? why would you decide to use Odessa now? (dt)

[Mike]

lol. my fiance is from Odessa and i am pretty sure she does not wanna burn anyone alive either..
i know she did not like the burn service rotation :)
Anyway, i know i have been branded communist as well as a republican before in this group and others.

[Светлана Гэмм]

you are not a communist or an an anarchist, you just love to argue be right...:-P
there is nothing wrong in being conservative or liberal or in-between...you just have to honest and call it as it is...

[Mike]

on the same note:
i believe our 2 party system is effectively broken.
most thinking people I know dislike a large part of the platform of either party and at the same time they know voting for anyone else is a though-away vote.
this is why i never voted in my life :).

[Светлана Гэмм]

I like the two pary system...I think our political system has less problems than countries with many parties...I think the answer to many problesms we have today is the term limits - carreer politicians are killing our countries - but it will require a Constitutional amendment by the same people it wowuld limit power of...so very hard to achieve...

[Олег Сах]

is your friend in this group? why would you decide to use Odessa now?
Yes, my friend is in this group, you might remember making comments about having too many 41 y.o. in this group, that was about his classmate. Also, his colleague is from Odessa, should I use "large port city in the south of Ukraine" next time? Also, if you haven't blacklisted me, we could spare all these people the pain of reading all of this bullshit.

[Светлана Гэмм]

why would spare anybody? it's fun reading about it! (fr) let people have some fun...(H)

[Алексей Пэт]

my suggestion is you look at the numbers yourself...
I do, Svetlana. Every year. Remember, I'm on the receiving end. There are only cuts.

[Алексей Пэтк]

- Michigan led the neighbouring Canada to bring the trash and dump it on our land
- Michigan promotes the casino gambling because they hooked the School budget to the taxes on gambling

And this is bad for Michigan budget why? Trash is business is as any other business -- Canadians pay for it, companies that run dump yards profit form it. Same with gambling. Casinos are companies -- what's wrong with that?

She does bow too much to the Unions, that is indeed true. She is a Democrat and they helped her to get elected. Business as usual.

[Брандман]

********atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

you would better read this breaking news, it's unbelievable....

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.youtube.com/watch?v=GsFoiVZDSRs
nazis were the progressives back then - government control, healthy nation, government takeover of many industires, many more...similiar to the ideas of the American left...except the genoside, of course...more similiar of the domestic agenda...

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.youtube.com/watch?v=J30-eYb9SlE&feature=related
this is the author's of the book "Liberal Faschism" on Fox...tell me now - Fox is not fair and balanced...he was being interviewed by both sides...basically grilled...

[Гера Така]

The sin taxes are immoral. Period. So - in case all of us are not going to gamble and drink and smoke - the poor government educated children will be left without education! That is a bright new future from the Governor of Michigan and President's best friend.
We also do not need the Canadian trash. Period. Let them take care of it themselves... Instead of promoting the consumerism, we should create jobs that produce goods, like automotive and manufacturing - the industries we had, which made us flourish (and by the way pay taxes). Not anymore. Ever since these people are in power - the jobs are leaving and tax base shrinks.
Cheers...(D) (D) (D)

[Mike]

Gera, this is totally off-topic of course..
but manufacturing jobs are gone.. don't cry for them, but it's over.
100 years ago people were bitching about agricultural jobs going away.. guess what? they are almost all gone ( less then 2% of employment is in agriculture ) and we are a better country. Right now service industry is 80% of the jobs, manufacturing is less then 10% and dropping.
Taxing casinos/smoking/alcohol... what's wrong with that? It's the best type of tax - consumption tax...

[Гера Така]

It is wrong!
We are going into the wrong direction.
The real wealth is created! Assembled, manufactured, grown.
If we do not do any of that - we are doomed to become a third world country.
It is off topic. Just answering the remarks below.
And BTW - the main stream media are feeding us - non of what I mentioned.

[Mike]

manufacturing is done in 3rd world countries..
we have nothing to gain from doing this.
For example Apple employs 35000 people in US without manufacturing anything in this country - it all goes to China.
and they create move value then ALL US car manufacturers combined.

[Светлана Гэмм]

ok, but can you see certain cars or products, like beemers and merces, being manufactured in third world countries?... doesn't sometimes compromise quality or even prestige of the product?

[Mike]

both BMW and Mercedes manufacture all over the world, including the 3rd world countries..

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.miamiherald.com/457/story/1271892.html
what about problems like this with products manufactured in third world countries?...(hu) how shoul we deal with that?....

[Светлана Гэмм]

both BMW and Mercedes manufacture all over the world, including the 3rd world countries..
yeah, but not for sale in first world countries...they make it and sell it in third world countires only...right?
would you buy a beemer made in China?

[Mike]

if BMW made same quality cars in China as Apple quality computers made in China i would gladly buy one..

[Светлана Гэмм]

sorry not me..not even in Mexico...how would you even know quality unless you drive it for some time...let them experiment with other people, not on me...
but anyhow, I know for some people in NY the biggest purchase of their life is a boombox made in China, but for an average American it's still the house, and it's still made here. :-) ..and look at the problem we run into when we use products made in the 3rd world countries...(hu) (tr)

[Mike]

this was the same when Japanese cars came to US market.. people would not buy them until they showed they they make better quality cars then in US or Germany..
China USED to be a country that manufactures cheap shit, now they manufacture some of the most sophisticated, high quality goods.
And they take their quality seriously.. where else do they execute CEOs responsible for toxic products? In US they would not even go to jail. ;-)

[Лина]

why would you single out NY in your example? you don't think the rest of the US buys crap?

[Mike]

probably because Manhattan has the highest per capita income :)
people from FL are jealous..

[Славик Саж]

And they take their quality seriously..
ROFL :-D
I work with Chinese suppliers almost every day. Don't get me started .... cheap junk
(N)

[Светлана Гэмм]

Chinese consume 54% of globla output of soybean andmanage to import it from "third world country" aka USA...why? (dt)

[Mike]

Slavik there are suppliers and there are suppliers...
one of my friends sells high precision tools, used to only get it from Germany ans Switzerland. Now he says that Chinese tools are actually better and cheaper..

[Mike]

Sveta, what does that have to do with anything??
This is called GLOBALIZATION..
they buy crap we grow, we buy crap they make..

[Светлана Гэмм]

did you just said that we totally don't need it (agriculture or manifacturing)?...so there must be a reason they buy it from us...why can't they grow they own?...apparently some products are better if they are manifactured here...And, I wonder how many people would prefer to drink quality enhanced Chinese wine to Californian one?
I guess on upper West Side Manhattan or on San Fransico agriculture is a sort of anti-culture. Who needs it? Only Chinese.
Germany is cutting corparate tax...why?-manufacturing job creation, which is frown uppon by elitists in NY so used to mutual back rubbing service oriented economy..;-)
btw, Palm Beach county is not exactly the Bronx of Florida..($) ($) ($)

[Игорь]

Interesting Globalization discussion... :-(
In my opinion, Fox News doesn't have any affiliation with the Republican party. They have some conservative commentators (Beck and Hannity primarily), other than that - it is business as usual - do whatever it takes to attract more viewers...

[Светлана Гэмм]

As far as havenots from the rest of the Manhattan state of mind, those MP3 payer afffictionados are enjoyng music played on quality hardware manufactured by chinese teens yet developed and designed by whooping 35 thousnad american grown geeks. Btw Kawai and Yamaha copied American build pianos, it took them a century to destroy their peers. Japanese cars were based on achivements of the American auto industry, it took them less than 30 to turn the table there too. Today's Chinese automakers are hiring American desgners and it may take them only 10 years to destroy our heavy subsidized GM. Yet we would gladly accept this blessing, since we can still service those chinese clanckers.
in other word, everything that's manufactured today in China have been developed in first world countries if they will develop and manufacture Tomorrow, what will we service then considering manufacturing and agriculture are already gone?

[Мария]

2. Glen Beck = Keith Olbermann
Except that Glenn Beck is extremely funny and loves America,
and Kejth Olbermann is extremely unfunny and repulsive troll who hates America.
I watch Glenn Beck at least 3-4 days a week at the gym - his shows are absolutely hysterical! ( And it helps me go through my stairmaster torture:-) ). And he is right to the point. There is nothing about his criticism about Obama administration and all the RINOs like Lindsey Graham/McCains
that is wrong. Everything he is saying is , sadly, true.

[Мария]

Also somebody mention about 70,000 gay parade that FOX did not spend much time talking about.
How about 2 million tax-payers protest in Washington DC that your unbiased/balanced CNN/NPR never talked about?
You have to be living on the moon to think that CNN is not an Obama outlet. :-|

[Игорь]

Ironically, I used to like Glenn Beck a lot more when he was on CNN. These days у меня от него болит голова. To me he is very far from funny, "crazy and hysterical" - maybe.
At the end of the day, he is just trying to become a second Rush Limbaugh and create his dedicated followers - good marketing strategy, has nothing to do with his political views...

[Mike]

Maria, the number of people in any march is a subject of great debate.. 2mln number was clearly outlandish.
In any case, argument of "pissing on the floor is better then shitting on the floor" is kinda silly.

[Khramaya]

"How about 2 million tax-payers protest in Washington DC that your unbiased/balanced CNN/NPR never talked about"
- this is inaccurate.
It was talked about all the time on both of those networks at length.
Other networks commented on AMOUNT of coverage to their viewers who did not watch that coverage.
I watch intentionally equal amounts of CNN, MSNBC, FOX, and on radio intentionally rotate stations every day.
As far as web or printed publications, it is also important to have equal amounts - now I have tabs open for Drudge, WSJ, BBC, and Huff Post.

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.youtube.com/watch?v=QOrPzVECSjo
look at the CNN coverage of the Teaparties...tell me how "unbiased" it is...

[Khramaya]

nobody said it was unbiased.
Everybody is biased. Every channel, every commentator.
Was was stated inaccurately is that they didn't cover it at all - they did.

[Светлана Гэмм]

same as Fox - other channels didn't cover teaparties enough or covered it with bias or negatively...did Jon Stewart complain about it?...:-)
honestly, I have no idea they didn't cover it more...probably decided to spare some people who are already depressed from everything going on DC...:-( (tr)

[Светлана Гэмм]

nobody said it was unbiased.
Everybody is biased. Every channel, every commentator.
no, but people are constantly outraged with Fox only...complain about Fox commnentators...right?...you never complain about other channels...it would be interesting to hear Fox's explanation why why didn't send anyone...but I can assure you most Fox viewers read about it, know all the issues gays are interested in, everything Obama's promised them and hasn't done so far...

[Khramaya]

Sveta, just to be fair and balanced, please read my posts in this thread and point out at least one where I criticized FOX.

[Алексей Пэт]

How about 2 million tax-payers protest in Washington DC that your unbiased/balanced CNN/NPR never talked about?
BTW, what was the point of those "tea parties?" To protest tax hikes that were not even promised? Is it because conservatives do not trust Democrats? I'd like to be educated.
And indeed, the statement at the top is far from being accurate. While Fox News indeed spent more time on talking about them (as they kept advertising them as "spontaneous"), NPR/CNN/BBC covered them in detail.

[Светлана Гэмм]

Julia, maybe not in this thread...but don't you usually? :-)
democrats refused to have a presidential debate on Fox, republicans had theirs on CNN and MSNBC...Obama came on Fox ONCE before elections, has been invited numerous times on many programs and has declined all of them...why?...Bush has been on most other channels...Obama is afraid of the news channel?...
and Obama himself and his aids have been attacking Fox ever since he's been elected...now tell me if it's presidential to attack ONE news channel that is maybe a little more critical of him than others...if you can's answer and listen to your critics, how can you learn if you are doing good or not?...

[Mike]

I wonder if there is a site that provides time per story per channel?
like
Story A
Fox: 10 minutes
CNBC: 23 minutes
CNN: 17 minutes
MSNBC: still in business? ;-)

[Славик Саж]

Did anyone hear about youtube clip where Michelle is mad at Barack for dancing with some chick?
If you have a link please post it.

[Mike]

Administration attacking radio/tv personalities is retarded not matter how you look at it.
If it accomplishes anything - drives more people to those hosts.

[Светлана Гэмм]

Алексей, you are missing the point - Fox has people on critical of Obama and those who support him as the same time...big difference than just one-sided channels...
Славик, post the link...

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.youtube.com/watch?v=jFzbooqaDjc
here it is...I didn't see anything psectacular...

[Светлана Гэмм]

it was nto the the right one, I think this is
***********.youtube.com/watch?v=jFzbooqaDjc

[Олег Сах]

Алексей, tea parties were the response to the stimulus, not actual tax raises. The idea is that stimulus was full of pork, pet projects and paybacks to Obama supporters, like $2 million given to ACORN. The protesters consider it to be waste of taxpayer's money. You may or may not agree with these people, but they definitely have merit in their actions.

[Светлана Гэмм]

and also to protest the mortgage bill - did you see that? it's CNBC reporter outraged over the bill...
***********.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-Jw-5Kx8k

[Алексей Пэтк]

What was the percentage of pork in the stimulus bill? If that bill was full of pork, why did Republicans not block it? Did they get part of that pork?

[Олег Сах]

***********.usnews.com/money/business-economy/articles/2009/02/19/finding-the-pork-in-the-obama-stimulus-bill.html
Of course not all of that was pork, and also, of course, Republicans have benefited from it. However, I have heard Republican Congressman Peter King on the radio describing hush-hush passing of the Stimulus bill. Pelosi & Emmanuel have simply pushed it down Republican throat.

[Светлана Гэмм]

Republicans can't block anything anymore - they are in the minority - democrats have SUPER-MAJORITY...no republicans voted for the bill in the House and three RINOs in the senate...

[Светлана Гэмм]

********thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/63249-53-republicans-demand-firing-of-safe-schools-czar

this is both on Fox investigative reporting and czars that are not vetted by the Congress....

[Khramaya]

it is so funny to see criticism of the stimulus bill after TARP.
Let's see....... we got our road paved, and Wall street got their pockets full of taxpayers money.
Hmmmmm.......

[Светлана Гэмм]

who told you the same people didn't criticize TARP?...like Dick Morris said back when Bush decided to do it - he must've have labotomy or something...

[Светлана Гэмм]

but, Julia, at least TARP was a loan, stimulus isn't...how can you keep spending when we are in financial crisis caused by overspending?

Mike, what do you think would have happened, have they not bailout out the banks?

who was trashing Golden?

[Khramaya]

everybody did....
I told my relatives who work for them to share those bonuses with me....:-D :-D

[Mike]

without TARP?
short term - lots of pain
long term - much needed cleansing
and i don't know who it was.. i listened, not watched..

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.thehotjoints.com/2009/10/14/profile-of-fox-businesss-jenna-lee/

I love this Fox Business Anchor - Jenna Lee...isn't she hot?.....))))

[Светлана Гэмм]

***********.foxbusiness.com/our-team/personalities/jenna-lee/

this is a better pic of her...))))))))))))))))))

[Лина]

kind of looks like Tiffany Amber Thiessen from Saved by the Bell
***********.unlulerkervani.com/data/media/919/TiffaniAmb_Guast_4690807.jpg

[Мария]

If that bill was full of pork, why did Republicans not block it? Did they get part of that pork?
Алексей, а что, правда не знаете, что республиканцы не имеют никакой власти в данный момент?:-O

[Мария]

У нас в Сан Франциско сегодня Обама гостит -приехал на ужин с богатыми местными Демократами - $30,000 за тарелку.
Я поехала в Union Square в Neiman Marcus, и угодила прямо в самый разгар антибабамского протеста. Наверное 2 тысячи человек собрались, запрудили все тротуары перед входом в отель St. Francis, где Обама должен был ужинать. Весёлая tea party получилась. Народ очень остроумные плакаты приволок, в основном против Обамакэр и поркулюса. Были ещё nuts from Greenpeace. *Посмотрим, как завтра новости будут освещены.

[Светлана Гэмм]

Маша, но ты до Newman Marcus доехала?...я бы уже не пошла, лучше бы кому-то ужин испортила...:-P (H)

[Мария]

***********.youtube.com/watch?v=CXJjoruQs0Y
Anita Dunn, the Obama appointed White House functioner who declared the war on Fox News, lectures about her most favorite philosopher of all times -Mao Tse-Dung.
This is a must see for all the anti-Fox people. And let us know if you have seen this video on other networks. Please.
PS. Why the liberal female politicians are so ugly, as a rule?(tr)

[Лина]

Народ очень остроумные плакаты приволок, в основном против Обамакэр и поркулюса. Были ещё nuts from Greenpeace.
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good thing they had signs, so you could tell them apart from the other nuts.

[Лина]

PS. Why the liberal female politicians are so ugly, as a rule
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I guess being a beauty queen is not a prerequisite - good thing, intelligence is.

[Мария]

But there is a high correlation between having facial repulsiveness and being a Democrat politician. I wonder about the cause and effect relationship here: does being ugly make one pursue career in Democratic politics, or becoming a Democrat politician makes one ugly?(ch)

[Мария]

and we call them liberal activists...(H) they can't even get elected...:-D
Those are very sad people:'( :-D

[Лина]

no sadder thanseemingly adult women who obviouslyhave nothing better to do than sit here and criticize the apperance ofthose who are actually doing something worthwhile with their lives

[Мария]

no sadder thanseemingly adult women who obviouslyhave nothing better todo than sit here and criticize the apperance ofthose who are actuallydoing something worthwhile with their lives
Like praising chairman Mao, who killed 70 million people in the name of the Revolution.

[Светлана Гэмм]

Машенька, ты же должна помнить с кем говоришь..;-) никто даже не прокомментировал по сути дела (о клипе)...только о твоих домиках...интересно, а Обама знает ваще нормальных людей или только лунатиков...:-S *-)

[Алексей Пэтк]

If that bill was full of pork, why did Republicans not block it? Did they get part of that pork?
Алексей, а что, правда не знаете, что республиканцы не имеют никакой власти в данный момент?
And that is the statement of how much people of this wonderful country trust (conservative) Republicans at THIS moment.
At THAT moment Republicans had a power of filibuster to block it, but did not use it because (1) some of them put some of that pork in (2) just in case the stimulus does not work, they want to get some political capital.
C'mon, it's politics as usual. Don't put too much emotion in it.

[Светлана Гэмм]

no, at THAT moment republicans had ZERO power to block anything - I told you - out of the Whole Congress only THREE republicans voted for it (two RINOs, one is an ex-republican now a democrat Arlene Spector)...some republican governors (I think Palin, LA, SC) wanted to refuse the money from the stimulus package, and dems were running ads against them to show how they were trying to prevent recovery in their states...

[Олег Сах]

And for that exact reason, Алексей, these protests were Anti-Government , not anti-Obama. Same type of protests that were held during Bush administration reign against war in Iraq. Just with different people.

[Лина]

no sadder thanseemingly adult women who obviouslyhave nothing better todo than sit here and criticize the apperance ofthose who are actuallydoing something worthwhile with their lives
Like praising chairman Mao, who killed 70 million people in the name of the Revolution.
---------------------------------------------------------------
quite a few in this group could benefit from a reading comprehension course... a class on logic and analytical thinking, couldn't hurt either.

[Олег Сах]

There she goes with "this group" again. You are in this group, JuliaStein is in this group, Irena D. is in this group, Aleksey Petrov is inthis group. Speaking of logic and analytical thinking. Just because there are people who don't think like you does not make it a hostile environment.

[Лина]

Машенька, ты же должна помнить с кем говоришь..;-) никто даже не прокомментировал по сути дела (о клипе)...только о твоих домиках...интересно, а Обама знает ваще нормальных людей или только лунатиков...:-S *-)
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Glenn Beck preys on the feeble minded... nowhere in her speech did Anita Dunn endorse or praise Mao's ideology or the murder of millions... she mentioned that Mao and Mother Teresa were two of her favorite political philosophers, stating that "you don't have to follow other people's choices and paths"or "let external definition define how good you are internally." Yeah, the woman is pure evil...
.
Eto Ya, k sozheleniu, vse vremya zabivau s kem Ya govoru...

[Светлана Гэмм]

Anyone who even remotely mentions Mao as a favorite philosopher raises big questions...any president who appoints such people to his administration, I thinks, lacks analytical thinking among many things...
stop with the personal attacks already!

[Лина]

anyone who's never read Mao, shouldn't be commenting on his philosophies... you just don't like her because she enjoys readinginstead ofhunting.

[Алексей Пэтк]

no, at THAT moment republicans had ZERO power to block anything
At that moment Republicans had a power of filibuster. This is a fact. And this is enough to stop a bill if the party thinks that it is very bad for the country. A filibuster-proof majority is 51 senators. At that moment Al Franken was not confirmed as a senator, so Democrats had only 50 votes. That is why votes from Spector (who is Republican) and others were important. NOW Democrats have a filibuster-proof majority.
So my prediction is that nothing will change. Republicans had an overwhelming majority in both the House and the Senate and ruined the country financially. And now there is no clear leader in the party. The Democrats are not going to do anything because they are not a homogeneous party -- so they will shoot themselves in a foot with inner-party disagreements.

[Светлана Гэмм]

you are right in one thing - because of those RINOs and other nonprincipled republicans, the party is in shambles...Bush, McCain and other reach-across-the-aisle ones carry the responsibility...

[Олег Сах]

BTW, Star Ledger of NJ had endorsed an independent for a Governor, bypassing two political heavyweights - Jon Corzine & Chris Christie. I think it's a major shift in the right direction. Let's not forget that a next major of NYC will be elected as an independent.

[Васюкова]

Умница Глен Бэк разоблачил уже не одного из обамовских ставленников, теперь он успешно работает над следующим (-ей).
Честно... ну как надоело читать некоторых русских совков... нет времени на это дерьмо.

[Олег Сах]

Валентина, хотя я с вами мыслю схоже, давайте помнить что все имеют право на свою точку зрения. Давайте выбирать слова.

[Мария]

she mentioned that Mao and Mother Teresa were two of her favorite political philosophers,stating that "you don't have to follow other people's choices andpaths"or "let external definition define how good you are internally."
уши вянут:-|
How can a political philosopher who is responsible for 70 million dead be ANYBODY's favorite?
Is there a shortage of philosophers who did not kill any people?
How sick and twisted one must be to select such a despot out of all the greatest thinkers of all times to use him as an example for the young people to follow?:-O
Sick and twisted, sick and twisted...

[Васюкова]

"Is there a shortage of philosophers who did not kill any people?"
Refrasing Maria:
Is there a shortage of people who really deserve a Peace Nobel Prize, who really achived something?

[Mike]

wow.. Anita really fucked up on this one..
i guess another white hose stuffer will be resigning soon

[Лина]

Is there a shortage of people who really deserve a Peace Nobel Prize, who really achived something?
.
can you name some?

[Mike]

i think it should have been MJ..
either one of them.. and either would count for the nigro quota.. well.. kinda

[Светлана Гэмм]

********townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2009/10/16/debacle_in_moscow
This is an article summarizing Obama's "successes" in foreign policies by one of the FOX news contributors.
Speaking of FOX news - one of the most brilliant minds there and in the conservative circles is the author of the article, Charles Krauthammer, with a very touching personal story. He possesses degrees in political science, economics and a medical degree from Harvard. In the first year of medical school, he became paralyzed in the diving accident.

[Светлана Гэмм]

In 2009, writesPolitico,"Krauthammer has emerged in the Age of Obama as a central conservativevoice, the kind of leader of the opposition that economist andNew York TimescolumnistPaul Krugmanrepresented for the left during the Bush years: a coherent, sophisticated and implacable critic of the new president. “New York TimescolumnistDavid Brookssays that today "he's the most important conservative columnist.

[Mike]

Krauthammer? Seriously?
Damn.. we could have used him during WWII.. as a secret weapon..

[Светлана Гэмм]

is it because he is a jew? ;-)
btw, my favorite conservatives and, in my opinion, the brightest ones and possess the beat temperment, are Jews - Michael Medved, Dennis Prager, Krauthammer, Mark Levin (dunno about the temperment about the last one - he can be quite vocal :-) ).

[Олег Сах]

Well, you quoted Alfed Nobel, not me. Look up Kuchma's accomplishments. Or you only google things to prove your points?

[Лина]

well, it would be somewhat foolish for me to try to prove your point for you (ch)

but Nobel's will clearly states: "...to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind."

[Мария]

Obama's accomplishments for 2008:
Collected $800,000,000 in campaing contributions. Got himself elected President.

[Mike]

Krauthammer... kraut hammer...
kraut = german
no?
if he's a jew on top of it.. wow

[Sasha Оli]

Сама постановка вопроса - is Fox News good or bad for RP, в корне не верна. Fox News единственный TV канал который отражает взгляды консерваторов и априори не может быть плохой для республиканцев. И в то же время он не до такой степени политизированный и шизонутый как MSNBC, гораздо более обьективный и непредвзятый.

[Khramaya]

if he's a jew on top of it.. wow
- Canadian born Jew , a psychiatrist by training:-D

[Светлана Гэмм]

now on FOX - Sunday with Chris Wallace - Carl Rove and former DNC chair, Clinton guy Terry McAuliffe - answering the same questions, having a real debate, unlike other networks "where liberal democrats debating radical democrats"...:-)

[Лина]

far be it from you to have a thought of your own... yet another reason why some people shouldn't watch FOX News.

[Юля Антипова]

Смотреть, смотреть иишо раз смотреть!

Даже Обамкин смотрит Fox news, а нам тем более надо.
Он очень Шона"любит", всё время его упоминает. Последнее время Glen Beckом сильно заинтересовалси (с чего бы это, хм?).

[Юля Антипова]

Дакто ж ишо в безызьянном Обамке изъяны найдёт,как ни Fox news.

А правда глазки режет, ему больно, вот он от и пытается найти путь как от Fox news избавиться.

А вы говорите купацца, - вода холодная.

[Mike]

i think this administration has gone nuts with their attitude towards FOX.. or maybe Obama is a shareholder of news corp :)

[Светлана Гэмм]

no, Mike, the reason is that liberals like Obama are not used to their views being challenged, not used to criticism...can't have a debate based on issues, can only demonize their opponents...:-(

[Юля Антипова]

Да уж, атитюда у нынишней администрации хоть отбавляй. Да к тому же и игоу некоторых (не будем показывать пальцем)беспердельное. Ну как можно критиковать САМОГО ЕГО!Ведь все СМИ ЕГО на руках несли (кроме FOX, исесьно) в предвыборной, там же у некоторых между ног щикотало, когда имя ЕГО произносилось. А FOX просто делает свою работу и поэтому #1 network.