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Натан Мэвэ 25.07.2009 04:20

Mike, I do not confuse a religious fanatic with a God-fearing person. Neither should you.
It is more likely (or at least as likely) for an atheist to "push a button" as a person who believes in "Greater Power".

Натан Мэвэ 25.07.2009 04:24

Lina,
I don't doubt your scholarly ability to scan Internet and Wikipedia for information. The quotes you're siting, however are not contradicting anything I said in the least.
It is one thing to be a deeply religious person, it is quite another to try to impose your believes on others. I have no problem with the first, but do not support the second.

Лина 25.07.2009 04:28

We're way of topic, but...
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Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"
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Could an athiest get away with saying: the satan made me do it? I'm tired of these religious fanatics using God as a scapegoat.

Натан Мэвэ 25.07.2009 04:29

Actually history tells us that evil men do evil things to their fellow human beings regardless of whether these men are religious zealots or atheists....

Лина 25.07.2009 04:31

Natan, your sarcasm is hilarious - a real knee slapper (fr)
and I'm not ashamed to say that I (L)Google

Натан Мэвэ 25.07.2009 04:33

First of all this is the first time I see something like this being attributed to GWB - I would like to see some corroboration before I take this particular statement at face value.
BTW, an atheist does not believe in a Satan anymore than in God. So you your analogy does not work. Sorry, got to run.

Mike 25.07.2009 04:34

Natan, that i agree with..
History teaches us that smart men ( and women ) exploit sheep to reach their goals. And it's it Zeus, God, Vishnu, Jesus, sacred cow, national unity, they are evil, or whatever else their idea is - largely irrelevant.
As long as sheep buy into the idea of the leader, said leader is able to manipulate them to their own benefit.
Happened for 1000s of years and will not stop any time soon.
Some of us chose not to be sheep, tho..

Натан Мэвэ 25.07.2009 04:41

For those who do not want to be sheep:
Read Mark Levin's latest book "Liberty and Tyranny". Fascinating, excellent read. I got mine on Father's Day. :-D :-D :-D :-D

Лина 25.07.2009 04:43

Natan, I know that atheists (supposedly) don't believe in anything, so they are free to use anything from Satan to their mothers - a scapegoat by any other name...

Лина 25.07.2009 04:57

And along those lines, couldn't a religious phanatic "push the button" and later claim that Satan made him do it - if you believe in one (God), youmost likelybelieve in the other... I'd prefer a president who takes responsibility for his own actions and doesn't see himself as a crusader on a mission from God.


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