Миша, ты меня прости, но банковская система никак не летела после 9/11. если тебе интерессны детали, могу поделиться. *:-D *я как бы, немножко с этим знакома.

"Truman was an anomaly" - in a good sense of the word.
In my previous post it should read: "I think we've GONE around the block on this already"

Robert - i disagree... the beautify of the political system in this country is in fact that one or the other political agenda cannot be pushed too far right or left for a long period of time. Although i'm not happy with some of the plans that Obama has in mind, somehow i doubt that all will be as bad as some poeple project. if my memory serves me right, after Bush has been elected, many threatened to move to Canada. ;-)

... слушайте Зойку , она болшой начхалник над хвинансистами !!!... плохому не научит , о хорошем расскажет !!! :-D (Y) (F)

Ok v takom sluchae obyasnite pozhalusta v chem vi hotite videt' uspeh Obami? v kakoy evo programme?

Роберт - у Обамы сама по себе идея - taking responsibility, digging ourselves out of this mess - неплохая. Эта идея ни как не нова в корпоративной Америке, но не часто присутствует у правительства.

To be fair and factual, American economy did suffer a huge setback after 9/11, even though it was not brought on by a banking calamity. Instead there were several factors, primarily the attack itself, coinciding with the ENRON and other related scandals and remnants of the Y2K-induced hi tech bubble. Bush to his credit with the help of the republican Congress passed a massive across the board tax cut thus bringing economy out of severe resession.

Natan, government interventions into banking, insurance and healthcare sectors were necessary evils. Did you think it was better to allow the banks to fail?
Unions have been around in this country for decades - so why are you putting this on Obama?
You seem to be confusing cozying up with diplomacy... and what about Bush and the Saudies?
Please don't tell me that free speech wasn't restricted during the Bush administration.

Лина, я знаю о чем я говорю....все проблемы Америке начались после 9/11. Я конечно не такой подкованный в банкоской системе, как Зоечка, но куметь кое что тоже умею.

to add to Natan's point - because of 9/11 and a temporary stop of the banking system, Check 21 became a reality, which radically changed the way banking is done in the US and propelled many innovations in this industry.

Мишка, проблемы не начались после 9/11. Просто это событие их немного подстегнуло. вот и все. *(K)

I only wish that Bush and the rest of republicans stuck to their guns and ACTED as republicans on the spending side of the ledger. Instead they spend tax money like drunken sailors (or liberal democrats) and have no one else, but themselves to blame for massive defeats (in 2006 and 2008).

Thank u Natan, u are absolutely correct: 911, tech bubble, Enron, katrina, middle east.......etc ne malo svalilos na evo golovu.
Zoya gromkie slova sotryasaut vozduh a ne sobesednika, kak kontretno on sobiraetsya voplotit' etu e drugie "horoshie" idei v zhisn'? rasskazhite pozhalusta

"government interventions into banking, insurance and healthcare sectors were necessary evils. Did you think it was better to allow the banks to fail?"
WRONG!!!
Government policies of telling banks whom to lend money and under what terms (see "Community Reinvestment Act" of 1997) are primarily responsible for the mess we have today with sub-prime mortgage and mortage backed securities. Banks and insurance companies are at fault as well for purchasing these securities, but the government action was the "root cause". Government needs to get out of the business of telling banks who to lend money. Once banks were settled with this bad debt they had no choice, but to offload it to institutions like Fannie May and Freddi Mack.

Mixail, vse chto ya xochy skazat' - eto chto 9/11 zdes' ne prichem. Razbili neskol'ko zdanei - eto znachit chto dolzhna bila vsya economy poletet'?

"Community Reinvestment Act" of 1997 activly pushed by Biden and Clinton, forcing banks into lending money to unqualified borrowers (guess who).................. e rezultat na litso

"Once banks were settled with this bad debt they had no choice, but to offload it to institutions like Fannie May and Freddi Mack."
Natan, what do you mean they had no choice?

Vi che Lina Ahreneli? razbili neskolko zdaniy? vi otdaete sebe otchet v tom chto vi shas skazali?

"Unions have been around in this country for decades - so why are you putting this on Obama?"
True, unions comprise about 7% of private and about 40% of government employees (overall number is about 13%), but under the new law proposed in Congress and supported by Obama unions will be able to organize and recruit members under the "open ballot", not "secret ballot". In other words unions will know how each worker voted - for or against. This is a clear invitation to union thuggery and intimidation. Read your history about union movement in the America in the 20-s and 30-s of last century and how the Mob participated in it.

Роберт - у все политиков громкие слова. как я написала раньше, я не голосовала за Обаму. даже не из за него лично, а из за людей вокруг него - конкретно - Байдена. *Но раз уж он стал Президентом, собираюсь поддерживать, или как минимум, давать шанс его начинаниям. Как он будет что то делать - я не могу вам ответить достаточно коротко. я не эксперт в экономике, а даю себе в этом отчет. Все что я умею, и хорошо делаю, это собираю информацию и делаю выводы. *:-D

Razbili neskol'ko zdanei - eto znachit chto dolzhna bila vsya economy poletet'?
Лина, вы понимаете сами, что сейчас написали?!
В этих "нескольких зданиях" погибли люди...
9/11 был толчком к "полету" экономики...а начались проблемы еще при вашем дерьмократе Клинтоне

Роберт - great minds think alike...она не понимает, что пишет....еще одна доярка?...хотя вроде не похожа

"You seem to be confusing cozying up with diplomacy... and what about Bush and the Saudies?"
I am not too happy with us sucking up to Saudies either, so I jsut want make it clear. Nor am I against diplomacy. But diplomacy can only achieve results from the position of strength. Instead Obama gives a pathetic interview to Al Arabiya where he practically bags Ahmadinejad to please, pretty please don't be so mad at us. What does the guy do in response? He tells us he'll like us better, but only if we appologize. This is absene. That "anomaly" that you mentioned, Harry Truman once said: "Talk softly and carry a big stick". I fully concur.

Zoya vi poderzhivaete evo pervie shagi:

Closing down Guantanamo Bay
Changing Interrogation methods
Reaching out to Iran and this bandit Akhmadinidjad?

Hotite chtob emu eto udalos?

Robert, to chto proizoshlo na 9/11, bilo yzhasno. Pogiblo primerno 3000 chelovek... no na strany v kotoroi zhivet bol'she 300 mill, eto ne bol'shoi impact. Stock exchange i ostal'nie kompanii vernylis' k robote k sledyschymy ponedel'niky. Sam event, ne bil responsible za polozhenie nashei economy.

All financial institutions had a choice. the problem is that people see ($) ($) in their eyes, instead of thinking. if everyone stuck to their guns and kept lending policies as they were for a number of years - we would not have the real estate disaster as we have right now. if anything, btw, 9/11 helped our economy with extra spending.

Lina kogda "razbili neskolko zdaniy" ya nahodilsya v 30 metrah ot proishodivshevo, pozvolte sprosit' gde vi bili v etot moment? ya tak ponimau eto imelo razniy effect dlya nas........

"Please don't tell me that free speech wasn't restricted during the Bush administration."
WRONG!!!
Give me one example where under Bush administration free speech was resricted for such Bush-hating publications as The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, NPR Radio, CNN, BBC and dozen others? On the other hand the "Fairness Doctrine" - btw, there is nothing "fair" about it, would restrict predominantly conservative "Talk Radio". If this is not government sponsored limit on political speech, I don't know what is.

Robert and Mixail, v dannii moment, tol'ko Zoya i Natan pokazali chto znaut o chem pishyt... s Vashei storoni k sozheleniu odni imotzii, i prosto chysh. Y menya net vremya i zhelaniya sidet' i ob'yasnyat' vam politiky, ekonomiky, i vse ostol'noe...
Natan, I meant an anomaly in the best sense of the word. They also say that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar...

Robert, yspokoites', ya tozhe rabotala ryadom s WTC... what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Lina, and you showed that you one of the heartless bitches that come to that group to stir things up...have a nice evening at liberal Jersey

Роберт - yes, i did, and no, i'm not happy with it. *Again, i do not agree with everything that is going on. i do, however, think that most people are being extremely leftist or rightist in their views. *i'm sorry, but most of us do not operate in black and while world. we are very much in grey area - so, making Obama a vilan and Bush a saint is simply childish.

Lina denezhnie poteri kotorie ponesla America posle 911 vishe chem godovoy oborot bolshinstva evropeyskih stran, podumayte chto vi govorite, eto zhe ne 2 saraya v zhmerenke ruhnuli, WTC zadumaytes' kolichestvo ludey kompaniy , zatrati na otchistku vostanovlenie..............................ect there is still a fucking hole in the ground in the middle of Manhattan how many year later!!!!111

Ya tozhe yxozhy.
Natan, the "mindless" participants in this conversation, are not the "liberals".

Миша, and you show that all the good things that you say can be quickly erazed by lack of respect to others. i love you, dude, but that post was uncalled for.

Lina takoy ahinei kotoruyu vi prognali ya davno uzhe ne slishal, nu kak mozhno bilo skazat' chto 911 had no effect on American economy? KAK? YA V SHOKE? LOL "razbili neskolko zdaniy" vi tochno s luni svalilis' ili s marsa.
Izvinite za imotsii inache ne poluchaetsya osobenno kogda slishu takie viskazivaniya.

Robert - i can understand your emotions about 9/11 and what happened that day certainly had a huge impact on the american economy. what happened that day and the outcome of all the actions, however, are just a part of the overall economic cycle. do you agree?

Зоя, at least I always say what I think...то что тут писала эта дерьмократка-либералка просто полная чушь...то что 9/11 пслужил толчком к тому, что мы сейчас наблюдаем (не только в финансовом плане) - это точно на 100%!

Мишенька, я тоже демократке, но не либералка. так что? ты меня за это меньше любить будешь? все, я ушла. всем приятного спора. (Y)

It was called for :) skolko mozhno stesnyatsya etih bestolkovih obamovtsev/liberalov, pochemu nado bit' politicaly correct s nimi? obyasnite mne. Da pust' govoryat chto ya ham no esli chelovek idiot ya ne postesnyaus' emu eto skazat' esli zhe konechno on pervim zatronul menya. Zoya prosledite hod razgovora, za chto poblazhki im davat'? Ya soglasen chto nagrubit' cheloveku e osobenno zhenshine eto nizko e gryazno, no mi sdes' na site vse ravni e esli chelovek narvalsya na grubost' to evo v etom vina.