the Arizona law REQUIRES reasonable suspicion..
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reasonable suspicion of what?? not that a crime is being commited - as is the case in NJ law.
so all the other arguments and cases are irrelevant here..
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is that why you kept citing them? or are they now irrelevant because they don't help you prove your point - because you don't have one.

really?? if an officer has a reasonable suspicion to believe the person is in violation of the immigration law, there is no crime that has been committed??(dt) cluelessful, ты наша..:-D where did you take your law classes? just want to know, so I don't mistakenly take them there.. :-) if it was up to you, we would be living in a lawless state where no one can uphold any laws with criminals running around..and only laws that regulate our private lives and increase taxes are passed..

really?? if an officer has a reasonable suspicion to believe the personis in violation of the immigration law, there is no crime that has been committed??
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a crime in what sense? is it a felony, a misdemeanor or just violation? and what exactly is this reasonable suspicion based on? the fact that one looks Hispanic, or that they look poor, or don't speak English? unless the person is seen crossing the border, I don't see any valid cause for reasonable suspicion to arise.

Many police officers in New Jersey are misusing a 2007 directive by the state’s attorney general by questioning the immigration status of Latino drivers, passengers, pedestrians and even crime victims, reporting them to federal immigration authorities and jailing some for days without criminal charges, according to a Seton Hall Law School study.

“The data suggests a disturbing trend towards racial profiling by the New Jersey police,” said Bassina Farbenblum, a lawyer with the law school’s Center for Social Justice, which gathered details of 68 cases over the past nine months in which people were questioned about their immigration status for no apparent reason, or after minor infractions, like rolling through a stop sign. None involved drunken driving or the use of false documents.

In one case it cited, police officers questioned a man at the Camden train station after asking to see his ticket. Unable to show one, he was arrested and held for seven days before being turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Elsewhere, another man was transferred to immigration agents after being held for four months, cited only for driving without a license. And a woman who showed her Argentine license at a “car checkpoint” was detained, then turned over to federal immigration agents even though a judge told her there were no charges against her.

The New Jersey directive ordered the police to inquire about immigration status when arresting someone for an indictable crime or for driving while intoxicated. The directive is silent on lesser offenses, but forbids the authorities from questioning the victims or witnesses of crime about their immigration status.

It also listed seven incidents in which Latinos who sought police help were questioned about their immigration status, in direct violation of the directive.

One woman told the center that she had called the police to her Plainfield home to protect her from domestic violence, but that they threatened to call the federal enforcement agency.

A man told of going to the Mount Holly police station to report that his passport had been lost, only to be detained for 16 days after police found some unpaid parking tickets, and turned over to immigration agents. The police in Mount Holly did not respond to questions about cases involving the directive.

Ms. Farbenblum said the cases in the report are “the tip of the iceberg,” since many noncitizens are reluctant to come forward or never see a lawyer, and the police are not required to report their questioning of immigrants in such cases. Police resources are being diverted from serious crime prevention, breaking down the trust necessary for effective policing in a state with the nation’s third highest immigrant population, the report contends.




In the first six months after the directive was issued, the police referred 10,000 people to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, but only 1,417 of them were charged with immigration violations, government data shows. Many others were legal residents or United States citizens.

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so you really still don't see the potential for misuse and abuse in Arizona?

Глеб, в Аризоне не дорого и свежий. Прямо с базы
Оh wait, we should be more sympathetic to illegal aliens undocumented foreign nationals

The only solution to Arizona problem, is to built the double fence on the border.

Arizona Immigration Law will have a "dominoeffect" on all other states. Now Pennsylvania and other states are consideringsimilar judicial act. 70% of Americans are in support of this law. Our Federalgovernment ignored the problem for long enough to make the local government toaddress this issue.

"The only solution to Arizona problem, is to built the double fence on the border. "
yep, and Maria will volunteer to guard a designated portion of it.:-D
Oh, you know what they should do: have those little name plates like they have in Opera theaters "This portion of the fence is donated to the USA citizens by Dr and Mrs ...and Maria ( last name)" :-D

Julia,
Surely, it is better for everyone to have it wide open for Bob, Dick and Harry... or sorry - Pedro, Diego and Alehandro to just waltz into the old good US of A.

Gera - totally agree with you!
My added touch is just those who want to build the fence should just DO it ! And guard it , and have those little name plates commemorate them(H) . Isn't this in total line with the American spirit? Minimum Government involvement, power to the people!:-D
Stop talking, organize the troops, mix the cement....

actually people already are (doing it).. have your heard of Minuteman?.. or you want people from одноглазники to do it? (ch) .. most of us don't simply live on the broken border.. but we are still for a civilized society and want a responsible government that perform its primary function - secure its citizens..
I guess we should say the same things about people who want people to have access to affordable healthcare - just DO it! either pay for it or provide it..

I don't quite get the point of new law. What? It was legal to stay in US illegally before? The "old" laws were not enforced. How would new law change the situation? States want to fight the illegal immigration themselfs? Are there enough resorces to fight the drug traffic and other crime? No, judging from the result of war on grugs. Result of war on illegals will be the same, for the same reason - there are not enough resources. Sounds like it is purely political move. If this move would force federal goverment to enforce existing laws...

the point of the new law is to fight the crime in the state of Arizona which is contributed to a large degree by illegal immigrants..so they want to give the tools to the local law enforcement give to identify them (illegals) and transfer them to the federal authority.. aslo the new law makes it a misdemanor to stay in the state illegally..
the world capital of kidnappings is Mexico city.. the second place goes to Phoenix..

Would it be more efficient? To fight the illegal immigration first, then other crimes? The resources are limited. Especially at State level.
If the idea of law is to force federal goverment to act - it is reasonable. But to spend resources on arresting illegals, just because they are illegals - it is not efficient use of resources.
IMHO

"- just DO it! either pay for it or provide it.."
-actually, this is a good analogy.
Those of us who know to provide it or help people to get affordable care in many cases actually walk the talk - everyday.

Actually I am not against opening the borders. But if we do that, then let that be done legally, with required paper work, English classes, taxing the immigrants, making them have the inoculation shots, etc. But as long as we have "illegal" immigrants, we should be able to enforce our laws. There is no other thing that is deemed illegal that anyone would oppose the police enforcement of, perhaps with the exception of some old sexual laws :-D

Oh, you know what they should do: have those little name plates likethey have in Opera theaters "This portion of the fence is donated tothe USA citizens by Dr and Mrs ...and Maria ( last name)
I've already donated to that important cause:-) So, the plate will follow soon(v)

The minutemen use my donations to patrol their border ... which is supposed to be protected by the federal government -one of the few direct responsibilities of the federal government ( rather than controlling what kind of toilet is used in our homes - low flush or normal flush). :-)

The cost of building the double wall along the whole border between Arizona and Mexico is only 5 billion dollars. Its' even less than Obama gave to Acorn.
So, money is not the issue - the big government ( dems or rinos) don't want to deal with the illegal immigration issue. Too hard politically for them, and most of them just want to be reelected.

Obama made a gesture of deciding to send to Arizona border 1200 border patrol agents ( after smearing the Arizona law) and now he demands that Republicans let him pass his amnesty bill swiftly. He is so smug, and repulsive.... I watched his most obnoxious presentation today. He just gets worse and worse in the way he talks. Some kind of incurable malignant narcissism. :-|
For comparison, Bush sent 6000 border patrol agents to the border. And even that is not enough.
The wall is the only real answer. ( with all the troops patroling it).

Чё это вы расписались по английски?:-D
Гнать их всех этих,мексиканосов в шею откюда вместе с Обамой!
Как суда приэджать они все хотят,а как язык учить и белого человека "Грингом" называть так это они мастера.
таже самая тема с нигерами(белого человека ненавижу),а к белой девушке подмастится и запустить ей мерзавца под хвостик,так это мечта жизни!
Ну що не правда?

Имел в виду нелегальных мексиканцев!
Я не расист-Обама радикал-что хочу то и делаю,какой умный нашолся я их легализую и они потом за меня голосовать будут.Они и так уже слишком много работ держут (мексиканцы),а коренных жителей увольняют,а то что они не любят Америку так это не секрет.И ещё говорит что это ихняя земля (была когда-то давно) и такое нести это уже не по американски(эму надо провериться,были бы это комунисты уже бы забили),американцы тоже красавцы (народ ничего не делает,називаеться,нам по барабану) с такой политекой можна лишь на короткий час( а страна опускаеться),а потом когда другого изберут,вы люди мастите себе голову.
Было бы такое на Украине,хохлы уже бы повстали, (надоели политики,всего мира,одни пустые люди,после окончания их политической жизни и сказать нечего про них)!(N)

Они и так уже слишком много работ держут (мексиканцы),а коренных жителей увольняют
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ya ne dumau chto korennie zhiteli xotyat viplonyat' rabotu kotorie delaut Mexicans - osobenno za te kopeiki kotorie im platyat.

И ещё говорит что это ихняя земля (была когда-то давно) и такое нести это уже не по американски
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po-moemu eto nikto ne otretzaet... a svoboda slova eto kak raz po Amerikanski

svoboda slova,eto tol'ko na slovah!y bednjaka nety slova!
kak raz i po amerikanski,prishol zabral zemlju,pochemy to oni ne izvejanjautsja pered Indeuzami ( za genozud kotoruy ystroili) i zemlu im toze ne otdajut.

skoro eti korennue zuteli bydyt delat' vse,esli ekonomika ne popravitsja,bezrabotiza ved'

Много уважаэмая Лина я не ищю с вами спора!
Мне кажеться что американцы не думают в вперёд,свобода слова сейчас у Обамы(только у него),другие политики сегодня одно,завтра другое (со словом дискриминация,не хотят быть связаны)так что слова у них нету и надо быть осторожными.
Мексиканци по численности велики в США,введения второго языка(испанского) и дальнейший навал латиносов! В будущем может превести к конфликту(разпаду США на две части)!
Я точно не знаю,время покажет!