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Paskovaty 29.01.2009 05:57

Mariya, when I'm talking about the wealthy, I am not referring to those making 150k, but rather to the upper 5% who own the majority of the wealth in this country. They are the ones receiving subsidies from the government.
Lina, how do you think 150K was picked? 5% of the nation working PEOPLE (read humans, not corporations) make that much or higher. The ave family income in US is 50K. Not because jobs are paying so little, but there are tons of families who make 0 (read: welfare) So its 5% of the nation carries the rest of the society on their shoulders ... I dont think they get subsidiaries from the government pretty much.... The companies get insentives, so that they can employ those 95% of the population. Wheter it is fair or not. Is not a part of this debate. Who do you think gave your Obama zillions of donations for the campaign. Obviosly not the corportations whom you think he is going to yank back into the reality of working for a living. :-D

Лина 29.01.2009 06:00

"Can someone, please, explain to libs, that when people invest money they have already paid tax on it???!!! now if they make profits, taking the risk of losing eveything, they have to pay more income tax????"
Are you insane??? If you paid taxes on 100k, invested it and made millions on it, you shouldn't pay taxes? Why should people pay taxes for working overtime? Why should we reward and value risk taking above hard work?

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 06:04

Lina
LOLOLOLOLOL is that what you really got upset about? Us comparing Michelle Obama to a monkey. Nado bilo tak i skazat a ne privodit svoyi senseless dovodi.

Лина 29.01.2009 06:08

Natan, they may be saving consumers money(althogh their prices are not that competetive and merchandise is of less than superior quality), pay income taxes, provide jobs... Are they doing all this out of the goodness of their heart or to make a profit? Why should they be given an unfair advantage over the average mom and pop store? I thought you were against socialism?

Лина 29.01.2009 06:09

Mariya, no offense, but you really should invest into a reading comprehension class. I did say that.

Натан Мэвэ 29.01.2009 06:11

Lina,
I do not presume to be able to change your mind, nor can I keep up with your posts, only to present you facts as I see them. So I would respectfully point out to you the falsehood of your argument. Let's take the following:
"Natan, someone who actually works for a living, pays more in taxes (percentage wise) than someone who derives all or most of his income from capital gain. And that Natan, is a fact"
No, Lina it is not a FACT. Simply because you are attempting to compare, as they say, apples and oranges.

Натан Мэвэ 29.01.2009 06:11

First, as was pointed out by other participants, capital gains tax is paid on the money for which income tax was already paid. In effect it is a double taxation.
Second, capital invested in a coproration (whether you are buying a share of stock or opening a new factory) - is capital placed at risk. You are liable to lose everything or almost everything and thus will have incentive to invest unless the taxation rates are low compared with other other, more stable ways of making money (like going to work).

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 06:12

Lina
From you DARLING None taken, I don't take offense from liberal idiots. And in terms of my reading comprehension level, I would be willing to bet that it's a bit higher than yours. Kak govoryat chto s duraka vozmesh krome analizov.

Натан Мэвэ 29.01.2009 06:12

Third, capital investment is what drives this economy and this country. If, as you indicated, you're working for a living, you must be working for someone else, I presume some company or corporation. Frankly, if you are working for yourself, this does not change anything. If you work for a corporation in order for it to employ you and pay you salary someone else (that filthy rich, greedy guy) had to invest his money into plant and equipment - with no guarantee to ever see that money again.
And fourth, over 80 million americans (you probably included) participate in the stock market and thus benefit from low capital gains taxes, without probably even realizing it, through 401-k IRA and other investment plans. Think about it.

Натан Мэвэ 29.01.2009 06:16

"Why should we reward and value risk taking above hard work?"
On that, Lina, I agree with you. Except your solution is to raise taxes on capital gains to match (or esceed) taxes on income, mine - is to lower taxes on income to match taxes on capital gains.


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