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Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 01:23

not really because CNN news anchors very often dicuss some issues and don't have anyone from the republican side to respond to it...Beck had his own program and discussed the issues he choose..and he was only there since 2006....what about before that?
on Fox in the morning we have news anchors constantly invite both sides (like congress people) to state their opinion about the news...

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 01:26

oh,,,my bad..Beck was NOT on main CNN, but on the headline channel...sorry...:-$

Mike 15.10.2009 01:27

the purpose of each channel is to gain/retain viewership and to make money.
if FOX or CNN could put a talking money on the air to gain the 18-45 audience they would totally do it.
Beck is a popular TV personality and i believe there was a bidding war between CNN and FOX at some point for him.

Гера Така 15.10.2009 01:29

Flint, just like Pontiac and for that matter Detroit is going down, because of the business tax policies promoted and implemented by our dear Michigan State and their citiesgovernments. The policies that make impossible for business to survive, therefore taking the jobs somewhere else...;-)

Hello Jennifer Granholm... very nice business model from a Harvard grad.(N)

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 01:41

don't you, guys, have like an almost 20% umeployment in Michigan?...so has the bailout been helpful?...maybe there is something else wrong in your state...
you just don't put a bandaid on the big problem for the immidiate benefit (to stop some bleeding) when the underlying problem is the Stage IV fracture and there is a need of a serious surgery...

Олег Сах 15.10.2009 01:43

Svetlana, how do you know what my views are? Do you even know if I vote Democrat or Republican?
This is an excellent point. So many times we're being stereotypically branded by people making conclusions based on just one of our views. One of my non-online friends always bundles up all of my views with the ones he heard from some burn-the-arabs-alive "republicans" from Odessa. I am my own person. So is Алексей. I supported war in Iraq, but am pro gun control, I am anti abortion, but was against the Gov't bailout of auto industry. I hate people who carry a specific set of values that they share with the rest of the herd.

Алексей Пэтк 15.10.2009 01:43

If this is so, let's blame both her and Mike Bishop, the (Republican) leader of the state senate. He is the one who is responsible for the state budget.
He is also responsible for the state constantly cutting support for the public Universities in the state. But who needs them, right?

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 01:47

burn-the-arabs-alive "republicans" from Odessa
this is a very cheap shot!...where did you get that from?...your judgements are very questionable...(tr)

Гера Така 15.10.2009 01:49

Michgan is in recession since 2001... When our favorite Canadian born Harvard education socialite - Jennifer came to power. Ever since they are struggling with balancing the budget because she is promoting bunch of her ideas.

- Michiga hiked business taxes (the highest in the nation)
- Michigan led the neighbouring Canada to bring the trash and dump it on our land
- Michigan promotes the casino gambling because they hooked the School budget to the taxes on gambling
- Jennifer was called the best Governor by Obama himself
- BTW- we had the highest unemployment before Obama came to power...


Cheers...(D)(D)(D)

Олег Сах 15.10.2009 01:50

burn-the-arabs-alive "republicans" from Odessa
this is a very cheap shot!...where did you get that from?...your judgements are very questionable...(tr)
Sveta, learn to read. Odessa is a big city. My friend works with this guy, has nothing to do with you!!!!

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 01:52

Алексей, I made conclusions about your political leanings from other groups too...you don't support one conservative position...so you can call yourself any name you want, but your views are mostly liberal to me...
about cutting money to state universities - my suggestion is you look at the numbers yourself...liberals have a tendecy to call it "cuts" if there is no significant increases...and one more point - I understand that some people's livelihoods depend on government money, but what do you suggest to do if there is no money in the budget?

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 01:53

Sveta, learn to read. Odessa is a big city. My friend works with this guy, has nothing to do with you!!!!
is your friend in this group? why would you decide to use Odessa now? (dt)

Mike 15.10.2009 01:55

lol. my fiance is from Odessa and i am pretty sure she does not wanna burn anyone alive either..
i know she did not like the burn service rotation :)
Anyway, i know i have been branded communist as well as a republican before in this group and others.

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 02:01

you are not a communist or an an anarchist, you just love to argue be right...:-P
there is nothing wrong in being conservative or liberal or in-between...you just have to honest and call it as it is...

Mike 15.10.2009 02:05

on the same note:
i believe our 2 party system is effectively broken.
most thinking people I know dislike a large part of the platform of either party and at the same time they know voting for anyone else is a though-away vote.
this is why i never voted in my life :).

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 02:09

I like the two pary system...I think our political system has less problems than countries with many parties...I think the answer to many problesms we have today is the term limits - carreer politicians are killing our countries - but it will require a Constitutional amendment by the same people it wowuld limit power of...so very hard to achieve...

Олег Сах 15.10.2009 02:12

is your friend in this group? why would you decide to use Odessa now?
Yes, my friend is in this group, you might remember making comments about having too many 41 y.o. in this group, that was about his classmate. Also, his colleague is from Odessa, should I use "large port city in the south of Ukraine" next time? Also, if you haven't blacklisted me, we could spare all these people the pain of reading all of this bullshit.

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 02:30

why would spare anybody? it's fun reading about it! (fr) let people have some fun...(H)

Алексей Пэт 15.10.2009 02:43

my suggestion is you look at the numbers yourself...
I do, Svetlana. Every year. Remember, I'm on the receiving end. There are only cuts.

Алексей Пэтк 15.10.2009 02:47

- Michigan led the neighbouring Canada to bring the trash and dump it on our land
- Michigan promotes the casino gambling because they hooked the School budget to the taxes on gambling

And this is bad for Michigan budget why? Trash is business is as any other business -- Canadians pay for it, companies that run dump yards profit form it. Same with gambling. Casinos are companies -- what's wrong with that?

She does bow too much to the Unions, that is indeed true. She is a Democrat and they helped her to get elected. Business as usual.

Брандман 15.10.2009 04:57

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you would better read this breaking news, it's unbelievable....

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 05:38

***********.youtube.com/watch?v=GsFoiVZDSRs
nazis were the progressives back then - government control, healthy nation, government takeover of many industires, many more...similiar to the ideas of the American left...except the genoside, of course...more similiar of the domestic agenda...

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 05:47

***********.youtube.com/watch?v=J30-eYb9SlE&feature=related
this is the author's of the book "Liberal Faschism" on Fox...tell me now - Fox is not fair and balanced...he was being interviewed by both sides...basically grilled...

Гера Така 15.10.2009 11:26

The sin taxes are immoral. Period. So - in case all of us are not going to gamble and drink and smoke - the poor government educated children will be left without education! That is a bright new future from the Governor of Michigan and President's best friend.
We also do not need the Canadian trash. Period. Let them take care of it themselves... Instead of promoting the consumerism, we should create jobs that produce goods, like automotive and manufacturing - the industries we had, which made us flourish (and by the way pay taxes). Not anymore. Ever since these people are in power - the jobs are leaving and tax base shrinks.
Cheers...(D) (D) (D)

Mike 15.10.2009 11:52

Gera, this is totally off-topic of course..
but manufacturing jobs are gone.. don't cry for them, but it's over.
100 years ago people were bitching about agricultural jobs going away.. guess what? they are almost all gone ( less then 2% of employment is in agriculture ) and we are a better country. Right now service industry is 80% of the jobs, manufacturing is less then 10% and dropping.
Taxing casinos/smoking/alcohol... what's wrong with that? It's the best type of tax - consumption tax...

Гера Така 15.10.2009 11:56

It is wrong!
We are going into the wrong direction.
The real wealth is created! Assembled, manufactured, grown.
If we do not do any of that - we are doomed to become a third world country.
It is off topic. Just answering the remarks below.
And BTW - the main stream media are feeding us - non of what I mentioned.

Mike 15.10.2009 12:01

manufacturing is done in 3rd world countries..
we have nothing to gain from doing this.
For example Apple employs 35000 people in US without manufacturing anything in this country - it all goes to China.
and they create move value then ALL US car manufacturers combined.

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 12:13

ok, but can you see certain cars or products, like beemers and merces, being manufactured in third world countries?... doesn't sometimes compromise quality or even prestige of the product?

Mike 15.10.2009 12:21

both BMW and Mercedes manufacture all over the world, including the 3rd world countries..

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 12:21

***********.miamiherald.com/457/story/1271892.html
what about problems like this with products manufactured in third world countries?...(hu) how shoul we deal with that?....

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 12:25

both BMW and Mercedes manufacture all over the world, including the 3rd world countries..
yeah, but not for sale in first world countries...they make it and sell it in third world countires only...right?
would you buy a beemer made in China?

Mike 15.10.2009 12:32

if BMW made same quality cars in China as Apple quality computers made in China i would gladly buy one..

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 12:35

sorry not me..not even in Mexico...how would you even know quality unless you drive it for some time...let them experiment with other people, not on me...
but anyhow, I know for some people in NY the biggest purchase of their life is a boombox made in China, but for an average American it's still the house, and it's still made here. :-) ..and look at the problem we run into when we use products made in the 3rd world countries...(hu) (tr)

Mike 15.10.2009 12:42

this was the same when Japanese cars came to US market.. people would not buy them until they showed they they make better quality cars then in US or Germany..
China USED to be a country that manufactures cheap shit, now they manufacture some of the most sophisticated, high quality goods.
And they take their quality seriously.. where else do they execute CEOs responsible for toxic products? In US they would not even go to jail. ;-)

Лина 15.10.2009 12:46

why would you single out NY in your example? you don't think the rest of the US buys crap?

Mike 15.10.2009 12:59

probably because Manhattan has the highest per capita income :)
people from FL are jealous..

Славик Саж 15.10.2009 13:00

And they take their quality seriously..
ROFL :-D
I work with Chinese suppliers almost every day. Don't get me started .... cheap junk
(N)

Светлана Гэмм 15.10.2009 13:07

Chinese consume 54% of globla output of soybean andmanage to import it from "third world country" aka USA...why? (dt)

Mike 15.10.2009 13:08

Slavik there are suppliers and there are suppliers...
one of my friends sells high precision tools, used to only get it from Germany ans Switzerland. Now he says that Chinese tools are actually better and cheaper..

Mike 15.10.2009 13:10

Sveta, what does that have to do with anything??
This is called GLOBALIZATION..
they buy crap we grow, we buy crap they make..


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