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Натан Мэвэ 04.03.2009 09:40

And one more thing. To quote a great American, the 40-th President of the United States, Ronald Wilson Reagan:
"Government is not solution to our problems. Government is the problem"

Лина 04.03.2009 09:44

Yes, we should have let the banks fail. And in fact we did. Do the names Bear Stearns and Merril Lynch ring a bell?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Bear Sterns was taken over by JPM, and ML was acquired by Bank of America. So its not exactly the same thing as letting them fail. Prior to the bailout, the government waited for someone to step forward and do something regarding AIG, but no one did. Again, we're not talking about some banks failing, but about the major banks failing... and perhaps the impacts would have been far greater than even you Natan have imagined.
And yes, this would have caused temporary hardship and increase in unemployment.
You might be minimizing the problem.

Лина 04.03.2009 09:45

As to your 2nd comment - it really doesn't even merit a response. It completely lacks logic and common sense.

Just because you Natan don't agree with me, doesn't mean that my argument is void of logic. There are various schools of economic thought, and some are even contradictory of each other, so theres really no need for insults.

Лина 04.03.2009 09:53

Finally, something we can agree on - you are not well informed and thus can't contribute a whole lot to the conversation.
Actually, I'm not the only one here who is not well informed, unfortunately, I'm the only one who is willing to admit it.

It is interesting to note that while admitting your own lack of knowledge on the subject you at the same time in the attempt to "level the field" claim that those with opinion opposite to yours are also poorly informed.

Natan, you seem to forget that everything is relative. The problem is not that their opinion is opposite to mine, its that they dont have an opinion at all. They tend to express hatred or fear, but unfortunately nothing more.

Лина 04.03.2009 09:56

I am in fact VERY WELL informed because I choose to inform myself. And learn what I don't know. So that when I come across debating someone like yourself I can counter your naive nonsense with solid, factual information.

I believe that I pointed out at leat a couple of your mistakes, oh well informed one. Again, just because we disagree, doesn't make me naive or you better informed... so stop patting yourself on the back. And just because I'm not as well informed as I think I should be, don't compre me to my clueless and ignorant opponents.

Юля Антипова 04.03.2009 10:00

Лина Т. - спасибо за комплименты.
Если вам не нравится идея про "Обама fail", сори. Но то, что он планирует - полный маразм. Если бы founding fathers могли увидеть, что троица Обама-Пелоси-Рид *делают с Америкой, они бы сто раз перевернулись.
Market eto mi s vami - market zavisit ot nas

Лина, вы правы, что маркет зависит от людей. Вот люди вам и показывают их "доверие" к Обаме и его стимулюсу. Посмотрите диаграммы как маркет начал себя вести с тех пор, как с 2007 демократы в конгрессе стали в большинстве. В начале шёл вниз, а после выборов просто катиться.
Да и как народу не паниковать, если Обама всех к этому призывает. Он ведь сам повторяет, что пока будет лучше, будет ещё намного хуже. У него ведь нет ни одного положительного слова или эмоции в речах.

Лина 04.03.2009 10:03

And one more thing. To quote a great American, the 40-th President of the United States, Ronald Wilson Reagan:
"Government is not solution to our problems. Government is the problem"

And here I foolishly thought you were done. ;-) Sorry to disappoint you, but, Reagan is only considered great by the Republican party. While he was liked by many (including me), he wasn't exactly known for his great mind.
And while we're quoting, how about a few more:
"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

and
"United we stand, divided we fall."

Лина 04.03.2009 10:09

Лина, вы правы, что маркет зависит от людей. Вот люди вам и показывают их "доверие" к Обаме и его стимулюсу.
The average person is not well informed and rather ignorant when it comes to finance, hence the panick. Oni slishat chto kto to skazal po televizory ili dazhe ix sosed i panikyut.
Он ведь сам повторяет, что пока будет лучше, будет ещё намного хуже. У него ведь нет ни одного положительного слова или эмоции в речах.

A ya zabila chto mi privikli chtob nam politiki vrali - tak spat' legche. Naschet polozhitel'nogo slova i emotzii v ego rechax, vi ili po Angliski ne ponimaete, ili prosto ne vnimatel'no slyshaete.

Лина 04.03.2009 10:17

Seriously Natan, I fail to see the logic in what you write. Just because a method has worked in the past, doesnt guarantee that it will work today... and just because something is new, doesnt mean it lacks merit. Everything tried and true was new at some point... and just because something worked in 1980, doesn't mean that it's appropriate for 2009. Is it your age that makes you so resistant to change and innovation?
Again, there is absolutely no guarantee that the stimulus package (initiated by the Bush administration) will work, but criticism when not constructive, is only counterproductive and destructive.

Юля Антипова 04.03.2009 10:26

Обамыч хочет, чтобы маркет fail, тогда он сможет сказать - вот видите до чего довёл ваш free market, а мы - государство- сейчас всё это под себя подомнём и урегулируем. Да здравствует социализм (N).


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