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Лина 28.01.2009 14:37

Boris, Vi menya sil'no ogorchili... ya dazhe ne znau chto mne teper' delat'. Kak mozhno bilo poteryat' takogo interesnogo sobesednika kak Vi Boris.
Sorry to have interrupted your KKK meeting, please resume with your lynching activities. *-)

Борис Кики 28.01.2009 14:40

Лина Т: Лично я вам объявляю бойкот.И призываю всех сделать то же самое!
С вами не о чем разговаривать!
Может после этого вы сами уберетесь из группы,чтобы не пачкать здесь все!

Борис Кики 28.01.2009 14:41

Лина Т: Лично я вам объявляю бойкот.И призываю всех сделать то же самое!
С вами не о чем разговаривать!
Может после этого вы сами уберетесь из группы,чтобы не пачкать здесь все!

Лина 28.01.2009 14:47

Boris, I would suggest that you first familiarize yourself with the meaning of the word boycott. I am not sure if it is your ignorance of the word or simple lack of will power that is preventing you from practicing what you preach.

Алена Пигу 28.01.2009 23:40

Lina, vy pryamo Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya v vashih rassuzhdeniyah, zhalko as Lenin ne znal. Navernoye polyubil by.
Дедушка Ленин никак не мог знать Зою, разве что в глыыыыбоком младенчестве. И, может, она ему даже понравилась... Мария, учите историю...

Serg5ey 28.01.2009 23:45

Один из комментов к инаугурации Обамы:
259.It feels so good to have a president who speaks in complete sentences.
My only question is, did all these people show up to listen to Obama, or did they just want to make sure for themselves that George really did leave the building?

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 00:19

Ol'ga, I was not refering to the same timeframe in my comment, learn how to read.
Thanks

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 00:21

Olga
I was not referring to the same time frame anywhere in my comment. You should learn how to read and comprehend.
Sergey
Yup
7 million people showed up for the inauguration, only 7 of them actually missed work. Tam vas s Linoy i sol'goy sluchayno nebilo?

Алена Пиг 29.01.2009 00:47

I was not referring to the same time frame anywhere in my comment

Ex. me, isn't it your words:
Lina, vy pryamo Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya v vashih rassuzhdeniyah, zhalko as Lenin ne znal. Navernoye polyubil by. from 23:03, yesterday?
At least, it is showing that I can read. Another question - if you can express your thoughts... Can you? Thanks

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 00:52

Olga
WHERE DOES MY STATEMEMT REFER TO THE SAME TIME FRAME BETWEEN LENIN AND ZOYA KOSMODEMYANSKAYA.
Ya by lyuchshe vas otpravila jkuda nibud v Iraq ili v Iran, sudya po vashim rassuzhdeniyam vam by tam ponravilos

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 00:53

A i eshe, ya rebenok rabochih u menya RABOTA est, tak chto ne mogla stoyat v zooparke i smotret na etot bred.

Алена Пигу 29.01.2009 01:01

Жаль, что Буш ушел и, похоже, война скоро закончится. Что ж вы раньше-то на войну не попросились...Вот кому-кому, а вам там самое место - сеяли бы демократию "упирающимся народам"... Кста, мне вот тоже на работу уходить - а то я бы с вами дискуссию развернула... если б было чему разворачиваться... похоже, вас, как дитя пролетариата, особо размышлять не научили... ваше оружие - как там у классика - "камень"? Интеллигентной беседе обученыс-с-с... (N)

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 01:26

***********.americancongressfortruth.com/profile.asp
poslushayte interview, mozhet vam chto to stanet yasno

Натан Мэвэ 29.01.2009 02:32

Read this: ***********.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87320
Then tell me how Obama will save the civilization from the islamo-fascist plague

Натан Мэвэ 29.01.2009 02:35

***********.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa= PAGE.view&pageId=87320
Sorry, remove space between equal sign = and letter P - otherwise the page replaces the characters with a smiley face =P

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 02:50

Brilliantly explained
Your job is to protect and defend the United States of America. That is your sworn duty.
And you abrogate your sworn duty every time you go on Arab television stations and apologize for America's foreign policy. You abrogate your sworn duty every time you force American allies to negotiate with terrorists. You abrogate your sworn duty every time you pledge to protect the interests "not just of the United States, but also ordinary people who right now are suffering from poverty and a lack of opportunity" – the same ordinary people who elect Hamas, prop up the ayatollahs, supported the Taliban, recruit for al-Qaida, and live off of the beneficence of Hezbollah. Not all Muslims are "extraordinary people," and the interests of suffering Muslims do not always align with American interests.

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 02:51

Slushayte, a che my v prochem udivlyaemsya
this is a person who spent his life talking to Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright, he is used to talking to imbasils.

Лина 29.01.2009 03:05

Better to have a president that talks to imbeciles than one who is an imbecile. And when calling somene an imbecile, it would behoove one to confirm the proper spelling of the word.

Лина 29.01.2009 03:12

For those that are so concerned that Obama chose to speak on muslim television, please address the whole Bush family Saudi connection.

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 03:51

Lina
GRAMOTNAYA VY NASHA
Prodolzhayte v tom zhe duhe, predlogayu vam zapisatsya v nineshnoye pravitelstvo, mozhet i vy prob'etes' kuda nibud

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 03:53

For those that are so concerned that Obama chose to speak on muslim television, please address the whole Bush family Saudi connection
Prichem sdes eto? When did Bush want to negotiate with Terrorists?

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 04:06

Vot eto voobshe klass. Gotovtes' Lina, skoro budete za aborti platit, tolko ne za vashi
President Obama's nominee for deputy secretary of state contends American taxpayers are required to pay for abortions, a position that contradicts the U.S. Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution.
James B. Steinberg's written testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee was highlighted by Sen. Jim DeMint, a pro-life Republican serving South Carolina.
In a written response to DeMint's questions, Steinberg said the Mexico City policy -- the newly overturned policy that forbade taxpayer subsidization of abortions overseas -- "is an unnecessary restriction that, if applied to organizations based in this country, would be an unconstitutional limitation on free speech."

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 04:07

first base, second base, third base
is this high school making out? or baseball?

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 04:15

From Obamas Interview
Now, my job is to communicate the fact that the United States has a stake in the well-being of the Muslim world that the language we use has to be a language of respect. I have Muslim members of my family. I have lived in Muslim countries.
But to the broader Muslim world what we are going to be offering is a hand of friendship.

Can someone answer me WHY THEY DESERVE RESPECT and HAND OF FRIENDSHIP??????? for killing thousands of Americans or Israeli children??? WHY

Лина 29.01.2009 04:18

Mariya, I'm already paying for a ton of things I don't want - like this war for example. How about all the tax payer dollars that are used to subsidize the wealthy by way of various corporate tax incentives? You are aware that a lot more money goes to them than to welfare recipients? Talking about taking from the poor and giving to the rich.
As for paying for abortions... would you rather pay for an abortion or support an unwanted child for (at the very least) the next 18 years?

Лина 29.01.2009 04:22

Mariya, stop lumping all the muslims into one. Do you still hate all the Germans too? Plenty of Russians and Ukranians took part in killing Jews as well. The list is very long... If you want to have a dialogue with someone, you have to approach them with respect. I'm not saying it will necessarily work, but someone has to be the "bigger person" - I'm glad it's the United States.

Натан Мэвэ 29.01.2009 04:23

I personally have no doubt that "offering hand in franship" will only be perceived as a sign of weakness. As such, it will make us more vulnerable to terrorist attacks, not less. There has never been a case in history where sign of weakness DID NOT invite aggression. Weakness of the western allies invited nazi aggression. Perceived weakness of Kennedy administration invited a Cuban missle crisis. And so on. We'll have to see how this develops, but initial signs are not promising....

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 04:26

I would rather to neither. But I am totally against people kiving za chuzhoy schet. I have my own kids to support. In terms of the wealthy way, Obamas proposal to increase tax for those who make more than 150K will take care of the wealthy. Take from the rich and give to the poor. Kakoy BULLSHIT, this is clear socialism. Something that all of us ran away from when we came here. I DO NOT WANT TO SUPPORT THE POOR. And the ONLY people who are happy are those who don't make $150K. And you know what THIS IS NOT MY FAULT. You wanna make $150K, figure out a way how to do it, but don't retailiate against those who worked hard their whole life and accomplished something. I would rather pay for putting up trees than for someone's abortion. Umeesh katatsya umey i sanochki vozit.

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 04:29

Lina
Ty che s luni svalilas, u tebya kakoye to detskoye ponyatiye of the Muslim World.
If you want to have a dialogue with someone, you have to approach them with respect
APPROACH WHO WITH RESPECT. These people don't understand respect nor do they care. Malo togo, the more respect you show them the faster and harder they will retaliate against you because they will only perceive it as a sign of weakness. THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE LIKE YOU, have you not gotten that yet?

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 04:31

Oh and
Yes I would rather fund this war than Abortions, by funding the war I am at least confident that we are killing criminals and terrorists who would certainly kill you and I if given a chance. By funding abortions, I am paving a way for whores and the rest of the garbage to enjoy themselves ZA MOY SCHET

Натан Мэвэ 29.01.2009 04:35

Lina, it seems you're lumping several issues all together. So let separate them a bit, shell we?
1. Issue of abortion. I personally support the right of American women to cotrol their own body - within reasonable limits. Just don't tell me you all of a sudden want to have an abortion in a 3rd trimester, when a baby is viable. It is no longer an abortion - it is called infantaside. However, getting back to the issue at hand - we are talking abount American taxpayers supporting abortions in other countries. We shouldn't pay for abortions in other countries NOR support unwanted children in those countries. You are basically proposing a false comparison. And obfuscating facts at hand - a favorite exercise of a liveral-progressive. BTW, both terms are nismoners. Liverals niether stand for Liberty, nor for Progress....

Натан Мэвэ 29.01.2009 04:45

2. "Mariya, stop lumping all the muslims into one...."
I agree that not all muslims should be considered "terrorists", however the opposite is almost never true - all terrorists are muslims. Be it as it may, the problem with this approach is whilst in theory it is a good notion to try to establish good relationship with muslims, in practice these "good muslims" are voiceless. Show me one muslim country (other than American supported Iraq and Afganistan) where leaders represent the will of their people. Thus, while we can attempt to talk to various muslim countries (including possibly Iran) we should not do it in case of Iran without preconditions (like demanding that Iranian leadership rejected the notion of "wiping Israel of the face of the Earth"), and we should do it with a moral clarity and fortitude that America stands for certain principles - freeedom of religion, expression, assembly and press. We should never compromise on those.

Мария Кафм 29.01.2009 04:48

Natan
I completely agree with you. What people fail to understand is that the only ones who are allowed to speak and voice their opinion in those coutries are corrupt so nothing would change. A lizat' im zhopu for nothing, I don't see much sense in that.

Натан Мэвэ 29.01.2009 04:56

3. "....to subsidize the wealthy by way of various corporate tax incentives?"
This is another typical liberal canard. Corporations DO NOT pay taxes. They simply pass them on to consumers who purchase products and services offered by those corporations. I do not begrudge wealthy their wealth. Good for them. They pay the lion's share of taxes in this country. BTW, all tax rate tables are available online - I recommend you get a bit informed before making moronic statemens like "taxpayers subsidize wealthy". It's more other way around. Fully 40% of those who work do not pay ANY federal income taxes. These are the people who are targeted for Obama's "tax cut", which is nothing more than a welfare check. You can't cut someone's tax if he didn't pay it in the first place. This simple notion should be obvious even to a liberal drone.

Натан Мэвэ 29.01.2009 05:06

In short, to completely disarm a liberal of his arguments all you need to do is to use logic, common sense and historical facts. They can no compete in a debate based on merits, unless that debate is accompanied by conspiracy theories and media propaganda.
This is not to say that I was happy with the last republican administration, epecially it's domestic policy. Quite the contrary. Republicans lost because they deserved to lose.
We need to get back to the Regan concept of limited goverment, strong defense, low taxation, robust capitalism.
Here I want to quote President Gerald Ford from his speech in 1975:
"The goverment big enough to give you anything you want is big enough to take away everything you have"

Лина 29.01.2009 05:11

" A lizat' im zhopu for nothing, I don't see much sense in that."
Lizat' zhopy nel'zya, a tzelovatsa v zasos mozhno? Negotiating with terrorists is bad, while going into business with them is good? Talking about double standards. Mariya.
Mariya, when I'm talking about the wealthy, I am not referring to those making 150k, but rather to the upper 5% who own the majority of the wealth in this country. They are the ones receiving subsidies from the government.

Лина 29.01.2009 05:12

Natan, I was not addressing Obamas' tax cuts, but rather Mariya's outrage at having to pay for abortions. Let me give you an example: " When Wal-Mart builds a new store, they typically try to get the local government to buy the land they want and to finance the construction of the store with tax-free municipal bonds. They then lease the store until it’s owned from a government agency. How do they pay the lease payments on the store? Not from the money they earn in the market. Instead, in many cases, the sales tax you are required to pay at the cash register is kept by Wal-Mart and used to pay the cost of building the store. That means two things happen. First, the schools, the police, the library, the fire department and other government programs don’t get that money. Second, if you are a locally owned competitor and you own Joe’s Department Store, you now have to compete against a company that is getting its building and land for free."

Лина 29.01.2009 05:16

Natan, I do not begrudge anyone their wealth, but why should the capital gain tax be half of that of income tax? Why should someone who made money on an insider tip pay less taxes than someone who cleans toilets for a living? I do not begrudge them their wealth, but I think that they too should pay their fair share of taxes.

Натан Мэвэ 29.01.2009 05:22

"why should the capital gain tax be half of that of income tax? "
Lina, can you tell me what is the Capital Gain tax rate vs. Income Tax rate of someone who is "cleans toilets for a living". Let's start dealing with FACTS and not with notions, impressions and misconceptions. For instance, what do you think is an average salary of someone who "cleans toilets for a living"? Is it fair to say that it is somewhere in the 25-30K range? If so, what would be his/her tax rate? This has to include so-called EIC (earned income credit). I suggest you do some online research and then we can discuss FACTS....

Лина 29.01.2009 05:27

"We need to get back to the Regan concept of limited goverment, "
Sorry Natan, but I do not agree that corporations can be left to their own devices. If history has taught us anything, it is that corporations can not be trusted. Look at the Enron scandal, Madoff dooping investers out of billions, and last but not least -Merrill Lynch paying out millions in bonuses, as thousands were losing their jobs and the company was being taken over.


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