Mariya, chem bol'she Vi molchite, tem ymnee smotrites'... "Эта группа исключительно для жителей Америки и Канады."

So that we are clear on this point. I am against any type of welfare, be it corporate welfare or any other kind. To the extend that one company has an anfair competative advantage over another company - this is wrong. The best way to do that is not regulate those companies more, but to apply/enforce equal regulations evenly and fairly - this is actually is not the same thing.
Liberals have a tendency to treat every case of corporate melfeasance as a way to come up with more restrictive regulations. Enron is a case in point. Congress had overreacted and passed Sorbane/Oxley (SOX) act that drove dozens of american companies overseas. Instead of enforcing existing regulaions. For example, banking and securities industries in the United States are some of the most regulated industroes in the free world.

Moy vopros bil, KAKOYE OTNOSHENIYE ZHITELI KANADI IMEYUT K NASHEMU PRESIDENTU?
Burime pisat ya eshe ponimayu, no kakoye otnosheniye oni imeyut k Obame?

Мария зачем же Вы себя сами називаете "отморозком"? * (sc) *И я не говорила что здесь толко нас *две здравомыслящих. *Я сказала что ест' люди, но заходят редко.

Все, по команде. Вдох-выдох. Вдох-выдох. И так десять раз. Для успокаения нервов. *(Y) :-D :-D :-D

Lina, Stem Cell research is an important issue for me. And it has to be very thoroughly thought through before we engage in it. There are ethical ramifications. However, there are issues more important to me right now. For example government debt. You know those trillion deficits are borrowed from somewhere. And the will be time to pay it off. who is going to pay it off? Us, our kids? Whom are we borrowing the money from to give to "poor old bank and auto industry?" And what if we cant pay the debt, who will bail us, I mean US?

Машенька, не обращайте внимания...Их не переубедить, как и им не удастся переубедить нас...
Правда всегда лежит на поверхности... но всякие демагоги "цитатами" и "фактами" пытаются закопать её поглубже...

Although I'm not a staunch supporter of welfare, I can not refuse aid to children, the elderly, the ill or disabled, and those just down on their luck - at home or abroad.
"From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required; and from one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded." I believe in those words - in every sense.

I frequently meet canadian citizens who are all for Obama, and I always wonder, what gives? Its not like they will have to welcome the GITMO terrorists in their country.. Its not like they will be paying taxes for Geithner to sit in a cushy chair, its not like they will be paying the banks, for making bad bets, or for the mega expensive enaguration. So what is it then?

This is a philosophical difference between Obama and his supporters on one hand (frankly I would add Bush into this group because his administration wasn't any better in this regard), and conservatives proponets of smaller government on the other hand.
Show me just one case when the government was able to do something better, more efficient and with better results than a private enterprise? Except for military which is the direct and immediate government's domain and area of responsibility as outlined in the Constitution.

Although I'm not a staunch supporter of welfare, I can not refuse aid to children, the elderly, the ill or disabled, and those just down on their luck - at home or abroad.

Lina, I cant agree with you more on this one. Absolutely. Spoken like a true republican!

20-25 страниц назад я нашел постинги одного вумного, или не невежды...ватэва..
"Хасбулат удалой"?
" все евреи должны жить в Израиле... по очереди"
Я думаю вы все знаете о ком речь?

Lina,
I don't have to tell you that this country has been the most generous to its children, elderly and disabled EVER. And ANYWHERE. Maybe you should take a closer look around the world. And no one argues that they all should go hungry or sick. This is not the point. What is the point is that when you have an EXPECTATION of a handout then even those who can and should provide for themsleves and their families, look to the government to do so.

Алла, у каждого могут быть свои причины по поводу лояльности к той или иной партии. И это вполне нормально. Но проблема на этом форуме не в этом. Проблема в том, что если Вы просмотрите этот форум от начала, то увидите очень грубые, рассисткие высказивания в адрес Обамы, и его жены . Многие высказивания ничего общего с этой темой не имеют даже. Просто такой злой лепет и невежество. У меня лично именно это вызвало недоумение.

Exactly Elena! Tozhe samoe proizoshlo kogda Obama vigral - odna "devyshka" (who shall remain nameless) otkrila temy gde oskorblyali vsex kto golosoval za Obamy.

Racial profanity is one thing. Blind faith is another. Regardless of his color and his name, his actions, and lack of such is something that should be concidered and discussed. But like you will never erradicate Jewish jokes, you will never erradicate racial jokes. I think that "these people" have given enough legit reasons on this forum to demonstrate that their dislike of current president is based on many other real things, regardless of his color.

I am waiting for at least one legit argument why someone voted for Obama. "I hate bush" is not legit. However, this was the only marketing ploy successfully used by Obama team.

Any of the people who bought into his usefull rhetoric ever reviewed his voting record? Its public info.

Лично меня цвет Обамы не волнует (и его супруги тем более). Его философия, его политика, его ассоциации с террористами, антисемитами и прочим отребьем, его связи с полностью коррумпированой политической системой в Чикаго - это другой вопрос.

Alla, although far from being the main reason... the prospect of having Sarah Palin in the White House or God forbid becoming our next president, was not a small factor in my decision.

А победу Обама одержал по следующим причинам:
1. Безмозглость республиканцев выставивших против него Джона МакКейна. Республиканцы умудрились наступить на одни и те же грабли дважды - первый раз с кандидатурой Боба Доула в 1996-м году.
2. Обама - не Буш. Демократы ловко прибязали МакКейна к Бушу, хотя на самом деле сравнивать МакКейна с Бушем то же что и сравнивать МакКейна с Обамой.
3. Информационная ограниченность американского электората поддерживаемая и поощряемая большинством СМИ.
4. Отказ Обамы в последную минуту учавствовать в избирательной компании на таких же финансовых условиях как МакКейн, т.е. согласиться на использование только тех денег назначенных избирательной коммиссией. Это позволило Обаме собрать (и потратить) в два раза больше чем его соперник.

Lina,
Hypocracy surrounding candidacy of Sarah Palin is mind boggling. The main knock on her (sitting goverrnor of the state of Alaska, btw) was that she did not have experience to be a Vice President and (if need be) President of the country. And this is coming from the supporters of Barak Obama - a man who bearely 3 years ago was city councilman in Chicago and before that a community organizer. This argument is laughable, if it weren't so sad.

Во всех постах этой группы, где были вставлены мои пяточки, по теме "кто еще не любит Обаму", известно мое отношение к этому вопросу и даже был создан Фотоальбоме «Не сотвори себе кумира»,. где разбирались и итоги выборов, продолжая тему в пику восторженным "брасателей чепчиков", привожу фото с комментариями
Команда Обамы. Великолепная пятерка Борис ШУСТЕФ 30 Января 2009, Еврейский Мир

Lina
The question comes back
Other than not liking Sarah Palin (which to btw if far more experienced than out current President) WHY DID YOU VOTE FOR OBAMA? what is it in particular that you so liked in his campaign? I, much like Natan, struggle to understand the reasons why people voted for him other than their dislike for John McCain.

What do you know about the early years of Obama that you find so great. Is it his family background? The fact that he was associated with Bill Ayers? The fact that he attended Rev. Wright's church for Gd knows how many years? The fact that all he was was a community organizer? Which one of the above has you LOVING him so much?

If you did not like Sarah (whose 80% approval rating is the envy of any governor) Thats fine. But there was also a candidacy of Bob Barr. What did you not like about him?

Obama is in White House..... that`s done.... he is goanna do renovation, have a pet for his kids and etc.... he is a puppet in somebody`s hands... don`t you think? we will see what`s goanna happen next....

I definitely don't think this one is a puppet, he doesn't strike me as someone who is easily influenced.

Мария, we will see... who starts fast then goes slowly and more carefully... *:-)

I have seen enough so far, I am not sure I need to see much more to formulate my opinion.

I have seen enough so far, I am not sure I need to see much more to formulate my opinion.
at least four years you will....
dear Мария, everything in life is changing... you can not be 100% sure what is going to happened next... life is full of surprises..

I agree with you, except I am not so sure surprises are good when it comes to Presidents.

The whole logic behind Lina T.'s decision to call this entire group nasty names was because some lady, who entered this group two days before and have not participated since, had compared Michelle Obama to a monkey. Почему Буша можно было сравнивать с обезьяной ********images.google.com/images?q=bush%20monkey&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enUS295US296&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi, а Мишель нельзя, двойные стандарты? Она что не человек, к ней человеческие правила не применяются?

Its really "funny" that our now elected president gave a speech to arab countries siting his muslim roots.... When he was vying the jewish vote, he gave a speach saying that he has a Jewish name (barak=baruch) And Jews bought in. Now a black muslim with a Jewish name will make peace between arabs and jews..
The truth is Muslim extremists will always be threatened by western civilization. The western influence will threaten their ability to enslave their own, mistreat childern and women. Remember a 17 year old girl was stoned to death because she held hands with a boy.. Or the woman who was sentened to severe whiping, after she was found gulty of being raped. Aparently she was making out in the car with a dude, who was also raped by the gang that was passing by. She was found gulty and beaten by law.. So western civilizaiton threatens their meer way of existence. So whether our president has roots or not, his ass kissing will not worl

Alla, there are thousands of stories of what these Arab extremists did to jewish children and even their own. Do you remember a JEWISH mother who CHOKED her child because she was trying to keep him quiet so that the people in her house (Arabs) wouldn't hear him and kill him. THIS IS SICK. And now we want to make peace with them and we are telling them they are GOOD PEOPLE. I know it's not right to generalize but Give me a FUCKING BREAK, how much longer can we try to be diplomatic peace makers.

Michelle Obama is copying Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy (my point -- she should has her own style)... Lina, please, take it easy....

Then and only then, when opressed muslim women will realize that they are opressed an will want better for themselves and their daughters, then there would be hope...

But see alla, of course the want better and I am sure they know that the conditions they are living in are shit. BUT, the government is so corrupt, people's culture is so corrupt that there is NOTHING absolutely nothing these poor women can do for a simple fear of their life. It's sort of like Stalin times, everyone (or most smart people) knew who he really was, and the second someone dared to speak the truth they were imprisoned and killed. They need not to start with their husbands, they need to start with the government, and by sitting down at the same table with Terrorists and Muslim Extremists America is just stoopin LOW very LOW.

Алла, самая страшная история, это когда 13 летнюю девочку насиловали часами, потом обвинили в adultery и забросали камнями, это было всего несколько месяцев назад. И у одного человека - Джорджа Буша, хватило смелости и решительности направить американские войска в центр этого гадюшника, чтобы построить демократическое государство, опровергающее воинственное мусульманство как единственный выход для региона. Но наши "умные" сограждане решили, что думать больше не надо, можно голосовать по велению телевизора. Пускай будет "диалог" с теми кто хочет нашей смерти. Это правильно. Сработало столько раз в истории, и сейчас сработает. Ведь остановился Гитлер после того как ему Франция с Велкобританией предложили диалог.

я думаю, что для полновправного разговора должны вступить в подобного плана дискуссию мусульмане...
мы знаем их традиции? кто-то из этой группы был хотя бы в одной из их школ?