ПОСТУПОК САРЫ ПЭЙЛИН. Ваше мнение?
 

Мы были в дороге когда г-жа Пэйлин отказалась от своего поста. Через неделю, по возвращении, другие новости затмили её поступок. Как республиканец, я возмущен. Своим поступком она доказала правоту всех дурацких шуточек и уколов. Но это мое личное мнение. Что вы считаете:
1. Действительно, "хоккейная мамаша", пролезшая в губернаторы, и похерившая свои обязанности, when going got tough ?
2. Независимый политик, не устоявший перед сокрушающей силой СМИ, набравшихся необыкновенной мощи во время романа с Обамой?

not sound like a conspiracy theorist but i will go with option 3)
a political move todistanceher from the2008 election, move her away from the current republican party and to re-introduce her in time for the 2012 election as something completely new, pehaps an independent or something

Я плакалЪ когда узнал.
Хочется всерить что она не убила свою политическую карьеру. Если она думает что заработает много денег читая лекции в универах то это да, но не надолго. А потом что? Back to snow machines?

Рената, если она думает что у неё есть какие либы шансы среди независимых, то она действительно тупой клон Тины Фэй.
Алексей, да, на чистку кеты в сезон отправится. Будет штопать сети и рассказывать мексиканцам с эскимосами какая с ней штука приключилась в восьмом году.

oleg, i was using independents as an example not an actual suggestion. I have a feeling that this is not her desicion, but that she is somehowbeing used by the republicans to help in the 2012 election. Frankly, i am do not know, or care, how

I am sick of all those long term plans, carefully dropped hints, 3-year ahead moves, etc that all candidates practice.

Своим поступком она доказала правоту всех дурацких шуточек и уколов.

There is nothing NOTHING she could have done including murdering someone to justify everything that was said to offend her. Enough is enough, she is a mother and a wife before she is a governor, so when these assholes pathetic lowlives started taking shots at her kids, it was time for her to step down.

Моя первая реакция тоже была что есть пункт 3, но не знаю как скоро ей забудут то что она не "отмотала свой срок" на Аляске.
Вполне возможно что политика и выборы 2012 года её больше не интересуют или поняла что в 12-ом Обаму переизберут и решила чем на $160 тыс. в год губернаторскую зарплату жить лучше cash in сейчас.

Думаю что Сара возвратиться к политике и возможно в 2012 году будет избрана.Обама всего лиш полгода у власти, а дров уже наломал-денег растратил невидимо.Разрушил Хомме ЛандСекюрити.Да хранит нас бог от теракта.Экспиремент выбор политического лидера по цвету кожи уже имел место в НьюЙорке,когда выбрали Давида Динкинса-единственная квалификация которого была-первый чёрный мэр. Худшего мэра не было до него и наверное не будет. Думаю Обама -яление временное.

То что Сара ушла с поста посередине срока будет над ней висеть как Дамоклов меч

"So what's next on her agenda? A "tasteful" layout in Playboy, perhaps?"
This is precisely the kind of comments that in part can be attributed to her bailing out. I personally would have preferred her sticking out for another year and a half in the gubernatorial chair.
But I can also sympathize with her decision because of constant frivolous, partisan attacks. Don't forget $500K she is already in the hole for - just to defend herself. These are no Kennedys or Rockfellers (both US Senators) that have substantial financial resources. Whatever else you may think of Sara Pailin, her family is what we call "plain folk".

So when opportunity presented itself to make some money to pay her bills and take care of her family, she jumped at it. Look in the mirror and honestly ask your self - what would you do in this situation.
Still, there are a lot of people (especially in those "fly-over" states) who support and root for her. We'll see what 2012 brings. I would count her out. Not yet.

Since when do "plain folk" make $160+(I'm not sure what her husband earns)/year and get to live in a mansion rent free?

She is a "plain folk" indeed, and $160K is not that much for her size family
This is precisely the kind of comments that in part can be attributed to her bailing out.
EXACTLY

Slavik, her and her family's room, board, and health care were fully covered... additionally, her husband was bringing home at least another $100k - let's not insult the real "plain folk"...
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As for "precisely the kind of comments"... she didn't get any more than many of the other high-profile politicians out there.

"Since when do "plain folk" make $160+..."
Her parents are both teachers, of very modest means, without big bank accounts - certainly can be considered an average American family. Her own family is clearly of modest means (even with $160K salary + whatever her husband makes). After your put away some of it for your kids and grand kids (6 in all so far) and pay some of it in taxes, mortgage, etc, Pailins can also be considered only an upper-middle class.
Certainly there is no 500K laying around to pay all of the attorney fees. In my book it is "plain folk", which by the way, is not only measured in how much one makes.
But never mind that. Instead, maybe you should consider apologizing and taking back your obnoxious earlier comment about Playboy. How about it?

You think Bill and Hillary didn't get their share, what about GW, or Ronald Reagan?

As presidential candidates? Before they were even elected?
And she wasn't even a presidential candidate

Lina, do not change the issue. Never mind, who got more insulted by whom, why and how. Comment about Playboy was YOUR comment - take ownership of it. This was absolutely uncalled for, regardless of who said what about whom.

Natan, call Michelle Obama a monkey and see Lina's reaction. Liberal hypocrisy, double standards, two-facedness

how come Lina's comments about Palin are obnoxious and racial innuendo about Obama is OK?
before labeling something EVERYBODY should think about their own comments addressing people and politicians they don't support and try- maybe only try- not to use double standards.
if you yourself use demeaning comments -don't demand from others to be "politically correct". Only if you yourself remain very polite to all camps, you can ask this from others.
Otherwise it's hypocrisy.
As Seinfeld would say, not that there is anything wrong with that:-D .
There is nobody out there who is hypocrisy -free.
But sometimes it's good to look in the mirror.;-)

What mortgage??? They were living in the Governor's Mansion... and can someone enlighten me about the cost of real estate and the averagehousehold income in Alaska?
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I have no intenion of apologizing for a joke made by a woman about another woman - evenif all the racist comments that have been written in this forum were to beretracted.And whom exactly should I be apologizing to - does Sarah read this forum or do you personally have something against Playboy?

Julia,
I can not speak for others who may or may not have used racial or otherwise insensitive remarks about the President or anyone else. I can only speak for MYSELF. And form opinion about others based on their comments. Forming an opinion about Lina was not very difficult - based on her insensitive comments...

Natan, please don't compare a comment that might be construed as objectifying (though that would be a stretch, since it was made by another woman), to obviously hateful racist slurs. Perhaps I should start apologizing for every Jewish joke I've ever told?

"since it was made by another woman..." -- No need to hide behind your gender. An "N" word is no less insulting when uttered by a black person....
And by the way, those, who used "hateful, racist slurs" should apologize as well...

I'm not hiding behind anuything, please stop making something out of nothing. And if you can compare a harmless joke to someone (a white person in particular) using the N word or referring to Michelle Obama as a monkey, then I reallysee nopoint in discussing this matter any further - we obviously have a very different sense of humor.

Guys, it's a waste of time - liberals wil never get it, their hate is so much stronger (dunno why hate though, she realy didn't do anything in her life or politica career to be hated for) than just admitting it's wrong and inappropriate.
I've personally spent months defending Palin. If didn't like the woman, I could've charged big bucks for it. :-D All they do is attacking her personally, going through her dirty laundry (which is not even there), not one discussion about her politics.
On her future - I personaly think it's on hold for now. She is still very young and can do a lot of different things (run for senator, etc.). I don't think she is ready for presidency in 2012 (since she hasn't even finished her only government term). Whatever she decides to do, I wish her best of luck - she and her family has gone through a lot last year starting from the birth of her youngest baby.

If you see hatred in that remark, then so be it - since any attemtat disputing it, would most likelyprove to bean exercise in futility.

Juila, I agree with you. I would chuckle at the playboy comment if it would come out of almost anybody but Lina. I remember very well how a few month ago someone referred to Michele as monkey and Lina flipped making us a bunch of racist.

Svetlana, I found myself in the same position, defending her, suspecting an evil media plot to destroy the only viable Republican outhere, however, what do you think of her decision ?
$500 K is a funny argument, since we all know that politicians can go to any kind of debt, because we know that they will make it back on the first book deal. Look at the Clintons. If there ever was an excuse for a sake of an excuse, this is it.

Slavik, calling a black person a monkey, is inexusable, regardless of who does it, the same holds true for holocaust humor... certain lines just shouldn't be crossed.But saying that you might have found the joke amusinghad it beentold by someone else, only supports my point that there is nothing wrong with the joke itself, just like there is nothing wrong with making fun and even exaggerating (if that'sat allpossible) Bill's philandering and even "Bubba" humor.
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It was a lot more than just one person calling her a monkey...

actually, as I think more about it - if somebody in any context commented about me having a spread in Playboy - hey, I would take take it as a major complement;-) . Palin ( if you get abstracted from what she says and how she acts) - is HOT, hot, hot!!!! Can't deny her obvious assets - so, really, why not???? There is nothing demeaning about it.

Palin can make millions of $ in speaking engagement.. ( i think i read something like 50k/appearance ).
I never viewed Palin as a "serious" politician, McCain just used her as an asset to offset his own centrist position to appeal to religious rights.
I hope she does well in whatever private business she decides to go into.

the only viable Republican outhere
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Really? Because McCain had a better chance of getting my vote without her on the ticket.

McCain believed Republican pundits too much. I remember reading that picking unknown from Alaska will carry him into the White House back in June of 2008. It all came down to this "Woman/Black/Woman/Jew in the White House!!!!!!" that started with Joe Lieberman.
To answer Lina T.'s relentless, unstoppable, unbearble fight with racism in our concealed coffers, do you know why some people were remembering ugly idiotic stamps of yesteryear racism? Because it was strange and super racist how someone's race will carry one into the White House. They spoke out of frustration.

Really? Because McCain had a better chance of getting my vote without her on the ticket.
Really??? Any Republican had as much chance of getting your vote, as I had chances of being asked on the date by Cindy Crawford back in 1992.

Я хотел написать: "...chances of her asking me for a date, and me turning her down" *но потом подумал что первая версия достаточно выражает малую вероятность лининого перехода в республиканцы.

IMO in the last election Palin represented exactly the brand of conservatism that causes seizures in independents and progressives - socially conservative religion driven narrow minded agenda. Give me an open minded fiscal conservative - Teddy Roosevelt style, please - I'll vote for him.

do you know why some people were remembering ugly idiotic stamps of yesteryear racism? Because it was strange and super racist how someone's race will carry one into the White House. They spoke out of frustration.
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And here I was under some misguidedimpression that most Soviet immigrants just tend to harbor racist sentiments.
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Obama's race had absolutely nothing to do with him getting my and millions of othervotes... and you arejust asmistaken if you think that I would never vote Republican - to me it's all about the candidate and the issues.

Obama's race had absolutely nothing to do with him getting my and millions of othervotes...

Thanks, Lina, I needed a good laugh...

On her decision to resign - I don't think she ever used 500K as an excuse to resign - just to describe how painful all this political witchhunt has affected her personally. I think her decision was mainy affected by two factors 1) Her family/kids (and everyone who goes through such horribe attacks should put their family first, not everyone does though), 2) Her lame duck status as a governor - she's been unable to perform her job because she had to respond to all this friviolous complaints. I wish she didn't have to resign - she's been an excellent governor, but I respect her decision-family comes first.
However, she totally is a serious politician, or can become even a more serious one :-) if she chooses to. About her views being not mainstream - liberals have to stop reading liberal pubications only. The largest poitical group in US are conservatives 40%,and only 21% liberals.
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