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post #51 Старый 20.12.2009, 06:38
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If you don't think that the ultimate goal of the enviro-fascists is total control of an individual and his rights ask yourself this:
Did the wide-eyed Russian revolutionaries, fighting and dying for the "oppressed" and high minded slogans about "freedom", "equality" and "brotherhood", could they really imagine in their worst nightmares that only 20 years later - a span of only one generation, their "worker's paradise" will turn into a network of stalinist concentration camps.
Never underestimate the power of out of control regime to rapidly turn into a police state and proceed to subjugate its citizenry.
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post #52 Старый 20.12.2009, 06:44
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Natan (Натан) Levert (Леверт),
96%?? Please site your sources..it's around 80% in u include clouds.
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post #53 Старый 20.12.2009, 11:22
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Which climate change data is fudged? Please reference a scientific paper, not a FOX news/WSJ article.
Aleksei, are you serious? How can you be so un-informed of what is going on around????????????????????????? This news is sooooo huge, and you are not even aware of it????
Classic case of mass media fooling the masses by withholding critical information from the masses. (md)
DOn't you realize that the scientific papers on climate research can not be trusted anymore? The thugs at the East Anglia Institute and the Boulder Atmospheric research center completely discredited the climate science? It will never be the same again.
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post #54 Старый 20.12.2009, 12:09
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CRU hack has been covered in media by even the most liberal shows, like Jon Strewart.
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post #55 Старый 20.12.2009, 12:15
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Михаил (Mike) Рабинович:
You asked for it - here it is. For anyone to see.
***********.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
Make your own conclusions...
Of course, you're free to ignore the other side of this argument and continue worshiping at the altar of Al Gore and his "Church" of man caused global warming.
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post #56 Старый 20.12.2009, 12:41
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Natan (Натан) Levert (Леверт), you are clearly not reading what i am writing, but only what you think i am writing .
Anyway, i took a look at your sited article..
Lets check their first source, table (1) which they claim comes from a department of energy, yet when i follow the link they provide:
********cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/pns/current_ghg.html
it does not state anything about "natural" CO2 additions.
So, maybe it was updated, as the link sited 2000 version of the page, so i got that from archive.org
********web.archive.org/web/20010208121326/********cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/pns/current_ghg.html
still nothing of that sort.
SO, let me ask you, how did they come up with that?
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post #57 Старый 20.12.2009, 16:05
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Once again, Maria, I asked for an article, not a news story. Did you read those CRU e-mails by yourself -- not the (carefully-selected) exerpts from the FOX News?
Here is one opinion which I find close to mine: ***********.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/
Please read the paragraph about the "trick" that mass media has been over-hyped about recently.
I don't want to defend those folks at CRU, I don't know them. But somehow I don't believe that they are there to get us all. What would they get in return -- what is the primary motivation to mislead the whole planet? And do you think that other groups at other Universities would not have their own data to cross-check?
You know, if in my private e-mails, I refer to some researcher as an idiot and his/her paper as crap, it does not mean that I'm there to suppress his/her ideas. Doesn't that make sense?
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post #58 Старый 20.12.2009, 16:14
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Alex,

As a man of science, please, explain to me (as I am not an expert, but a person with my own opinion) - how come in this "theory of climate change" there is nothing about the impact of one of the most important factors for this unique place in the Universe (Planet Earth)- The Sun???

What about it? No Sun in the theory????
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post #59 Старый 20.12.2009, 21:44
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Gera, solar irradiation certainly has to be taken into account. It is -- and not only in theory -- NASA has dedicated devices on satellites tracking solar activity. For example, TIM on a mission Glory: ********glory.giss.nasa.gov/tim/
Here is more on this topic: ***********.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090328163643.htm
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post #60 Старый 21.12.2009, 00:11
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So,
The solar activities , the Sun itself - is a major contributor to the fact that the life on Earth exists to begin with.


How are they planning to regulate the Sun?
Are they planning to establish the emergency fund, in case the next flare will happen? and they can save the Earth with their newly invented regulatory ideas???

Oh, wait a minute, they, eitheralmost dismiss it, or say it needs to be monitored.


So back to square one. Go monitor and come back when you have real facts...
This planet was hot, and then it was cold... and humans are merely guests in the shorter period of time.


Cheers.(D)
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