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post #61 Старый 21.12.2009, 01:00
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Gera, you don't need to regulate the Sun. I'm not a climate scientist, but, simplistically, the whole thing is based on energy conservation:
{Amount of energy received from Sun's radiation} + {Energy generated on Earth} = {Change in Earth's internal energy} + {Energy re-radiated into space}.
{Amount of energy received from Sun's radiation} and {Energy re-radiated into space} is received from satellites and/or computed. {Energy generate on Earth} is small compared to other terms.
We are after the {Change in Earth's internal energy}, which depends on how much energy is trapped in Earth's atmosphere. This, in turn, depends on chemical composition of said atmosphere. For instance, water vapor "traps" solar energy and makes it nice and comfortable for us to live here.
If more energy is trapped, temperature will rise and makes it not so comfortable.
Why do you need to regulate the Sun?
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post #62 Старый 21.12.2009, 01:48
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Aleksey, what Gera meant ( i think ) i that change in solar activity causes changes of earth temperature. So, even with constant greenhouse gases if solar activity is higher temperature would move higher.
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post #63 Старый 21.12.2009, 01:54
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The uniqueness of this planet is in the comparative sizes of the Sun and the Earth and the orbit established between them.
Nobody can regulate the Sun! The climate and oxygen level established specifically by the point I made above. The Sun is a mother of a photosynthesis, which the life giving chemical process.
CO2 is not a pollution as claimed by this newly invented "science" (trapping the energy and causing the temperature to rise!!!) what a bull!!!
CO2 is energy for your greens on this planet. Where are you? The Tree hugging people??? No CO2 --> no trees.


... and here is my philisophical point out cry:
so what if the temp will be warmer? So f... what?
All Arabs and African are planning to move to Europe and States anyway!

Meanwhile --> it is a cold and mean winter ... again... and as usual.


WINTER -- Cold!!!


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post #64 Старый 21.12.2009, 01:57
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Mike, but those changes are monitored by either satellites or proxy methods -- and therefore are taken into account. At least to the best way they can be, I hope.
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post #65 Старый 21.12.2009, 02:08
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btw, those emails are NOT private and should NOT be erased under the Freedom of Information act..Mann directing his subordinates to do it just indicates they have not been following the act..
NASA is being sued for withholding date for three years already..
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post #66 Старый 21.12.2009, 02:10
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so what if the temp will be warmer? So f... what?
Well, it depends by how much. There are several very nasty consequences that I can see:
1. If polar cups partially melt, that would change salinity of water. This, in turn, would change patterns of ocean currents. In particular, it can stop Golf-stream wil stop circulating and Europe will see much lower winter temperatures, changing agriculture.
Also, at some point melting the polar cups will lead to flooding of some of the cities.
2. Gulf of Mexico will be warmer leading to more frequent and stronger hurricanes -- too bad for Texas, and neighboring Southern states -- in particular, for the oil industry there.
3. At some point in the future the methane trapped in the ocean floor will get untapped and then we will really be in trouble.
And I'm not talking about tropical diseases coming our way...
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post #67 Старый 21.12.2009, 02:11
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1. CRU is located in Great Britain, which means that Freedom of Information Act does not apply there.
2. Generally, e-mails, as any letters, are considered private.
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post #68 Старый 21.12.2009, 02:41
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Emails that send to/from work email address are not private, but in fact if you are an organization funded by the government those communications are public and are subject to FOIA.
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post #69 Старый 21.12.2009, 02:43
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Gera, errr.. was this for real?
Oxygen is also energy, for people.. but also a poison when it's in excess.
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post #70 Старый 21.12.2009, 02:44
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but what i list the most about the so-called "conservative manifesto on environment" is that it really did not say ANYTHING about the environment .
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