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Мария Кафм 25.07.2009 05:02

I'd prefer a president who takes responsibility for his own actions and doesn't see himself as a crusader on a mission from God.



And that would be who?

Светлана Гэмм 25.07.2009 05:14

Mike, why does it bother you so much? No one wants you to be something or believe you don't want to, but you (personally) do find more common sense in politicians who are more religious (i.e conservatives) than in those who are not so much (liberals). :-)
And can you name one American president or a politician throughout American history who was religious and did something crazy because of it?

Натан Мэвэ 25.07.2009 05:19

"And along those lines, couldn't a religious fanatic "push the button" and later claim that Satan made him do it -"
--- Religious fanatic could. But I don't think such a person would be elected President of the United States.

Mike 25.07.2009 05:37

Svetlana, unlike what you would like to believe
conservative != religious
liberal != atheists
I know tons of a-religious conservative and tons of religious liberals.
I have several issues with religious freaks
1) they tend to pass laws that the rest of us have to abide by. Such as anti-abortion laws pre Roe-Wade, also some states had laws to prevent any kind of contraception, other states would forbid oral sex, etc. It's all due to religious retardation by the sheep
2) i need a president to base his decision on a lot more than a consultation with God.
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Светлана Гэмм 25.07.2009 07:12

You didn't answer my question - which president (since you said-Bush and Palin are religious freaks) made decisions after consultation with G-d?
P.S. I know that not ALL conservatives are religious (but most are).Some are just fiscal or foreign policy conservatives. About the laws that come from religion-some still do (i.e. shall not murder, shall not still, etc.). About the laws on sex and contraception-people's values change, the way they practive their religion change, hence they adjust the laws.
I agree with everything Bush said in that clip. Which part do you have a problem with? Or you just generally can't tolerate believing people? :-)

Лина 25.07.2009 07:20

You didn't answer my question - which president (since you said-Bush and Palin are religious freaks) made decisions after consultation with G-d?
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you're forcing me to repeat myself...
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Nabil Shaath says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

Олег Сах 25.07.2009 07:26

Lina, Natan already asked you to validate your source. Please, do so, before you use this quote for a third time.

Натан Мэвэ 25.07.2009 07:26

Lina is not the only one who can make points by quoting Wikipedia:
Shaath served as the Palestinian Authority's first ever foreign minister from April 2003 to February 2005. Shaath made news on 2005-10-07 by commenting for a BBC documentary that in a 2003 meeting with United States President George W. Bush, Bush told him and other Palestinian officials that Bush was "driven with a mission from God."
According to Shaath, the quotation was this:
"God would tell me, George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan. And I did, and then God would tell me, George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq... And I did.
"And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East. And by God I'm gonna do it."

Натан Мэвэ 25.07.2009 07:28

But here is the rest of the info, that Lina conveniently omitted:
Shaath later qualified his comments, saying that he and other world leaders at a Jordan summit two years ago "understood that he was illustrating [in his comments] his strong faith and his belief that this is what God wanted."
Both the White House and Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, who was also present at the meeting, denies that Bush ever made such a statement.
The question is: "Why should we believe one Palestinian leader over the other?"

Лина 25.07.2009 08:24

Actually, this was my source: ***********.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml

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so I didn't conveniently omit anything.


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