do you think women's suffrage was popular in the US? although after reading your posts, I can see why some wanted to deny women the right to vote.

i don't know 5 people who support the current shape of the reform because i don't know 5 people who know the current shape..
in fact i don't know 1 person who knows it.. there are so many different bills with 1000s of pages each.. and last few hundred pages of every bill are amendments that looks like
"in section 37 paragraph 3 change "given" to "gives" as per section 122c "

lest we forget, abolition of slavery was also quite unpopular in it's day... who amongst us today would call that un-American? well, I know a few of you would...

I can see how some would still want to be slaves of the state by wanting the government to tell them every step of the way and hand out them everything...
for the government to enact something into a law, it has to be both constitutional (slavery was clearly not, nor is the healthcare reform) and popular (supported by the majority)...
supporting limited government is very American, expansion of the already huge federal government with unconstitutional duties is not..

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
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IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU:<FONT color=blue size=2 face=Arial>
GET A JOB, A DRIVERS LICENSE, SOCIAL SECURITY CARD, WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, CREDIT CARDS, SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE, FREE EDUCATION, FREE HEALTH CARE, A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON AND IN MANY INSTANCES YOU CAN VOTE

for the government to enact something into a law, it has to be both constitutional (slavery was clearly not
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you mean now it's clearly not... back then it obviously wasn't so clear

some may accuse me of the ESL teacher brutality now, BUT I have to admit - have seen similiar arrogance from other daycare "educators" preaching age-appropriate behavior...
actually if someone loved education so much, there are so many degrees you can get, so you don't have to rely on government to provide you with jobs and healthcare...
that's the Amercan way!! (Y)

Slavery was totally constitutional, in fact some of our founding fathers were slave owners themselves and slave-ownership was codified into law.