Julia, explain something to me, are you sure you are in the right country ? May be you would be more comfortable in China or Cuba ? They have everything you want, universal health care, tax free system. There are still communist countries out there. UNiversal health care ? Where is the competition that causes the strive to grow and be better then the next guy ? Oil free world ? How will you compensate for loss of 2 million jobs ? Increase taxes ? Dream world sweetheart. Wake up.

Free ? I know its Saturday night but are you drunk ? MOney is what keeps people motivated. Wow.

Are you hearing yourself ? You are proposing to creat the system you left. COMMUNISM.

I would pay any tax just to have my right for health care - which I
would of been sure I can get at any time if I have cancer let's
say...now we are paying $800 per month, which doesn't cover everything
(we pay half of all cost), + I am not sure they will cover if I let's
say have a serious problem like a cancer because I know a lot of people
whom paid their insurance for years and they let them die by refusing
covering their medical expenses which is outrageously high in this
country due to the complete "union" of drug companies, our republican
presidents and insurance industry.

Roman, have you been to England? Germany? Canada? Italy? France? they are not China or Cuba, and all of them have free health care.

I do not think, Juljia, you will want to use 'free health' care in Germany or GBritainy.

btw, Health care in Germany & GB is not free.
Canadians pay tax% high enough to have "free" health care.....

Sviatlana, why not? have you been there and had health issues yourself?
I know for fact no one in England will want to have system like ours.
And TRUST me I prefer to use heath care in England but more than that I would LOVE to have the same system here. by the way in Germany people covered under the mandatory health care system - which is universal system.

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“I’ve never got my job from a poor. If we go after the rich – we all lose them – and our jobs as well. “
Moreover, about 40% of the population does not pay taxes at all based on their poor status. The communist liars imply that those who do not pay taxes have to get “tax cuts” – which was done this year, BTW. And still the extortionists are attacking.
Well, that makes sense - successful thieves always go after the rich - the efficiency of steal is higher. Understandably - it is a historical fact - the left are very close to the organized crime, especially on the phase when the left are in political opposition. That is why the “human rights” gesheft-makers always prioritize the “rights” of criminals, not victims

tax cut designed to benefit the richest
What honest and intelligent person would repeat that propagandistic refrain? Even a simple worker from New Hampshire laughed over the hypocrite multimillionaire Kerry (the richest Senator in US) who attacked tax cuts “for the rich

That's private question, how much I pay for insurance.:-)

when I visite doctor I do not pay a single penny.

is it your job pays for insurance? if you don't want to say how much - fine, can you at least say if you actually writing a check yourself every month, and if your job covers at least part of it?

And free cheese exists only inside mousetrap. Nothing is free.
we pay 27-28% tax,,,, and they pay up tp 45% tax....

I pay $1100 per month, and I am the employer, so my job covers nothing, I am the job.

Sviatlana, I would pay the tax to keep the right for health care. Roman just made a point himself - the best motivation is MONEY! so, when insurance companies make more money? question for a second grade... - when people die... simple answer.. if we pay tax instead of insurance we will have no more of money factor between people and doctors.

People in the countries with semi-communist health care system stay in line for years to recieve a good quality treatment. That is why many Canadians (and Europeans too) travel to the US.
Vitaly knows, two years ago I hosted a guy, pretty wealthy, who trusted the European "universal health care". When he came here, to a top private cancer center - it was too late. 4-th degree cancer - he came back and died in 2 weeks.
You are young and very, very poorly informed, Julia.

Dif. companies have dif. benefites.

normaly, when I get p. check I see how much I was charged for insurance....

so, Roman, you are paying $13200/year.. now, how many people do you think can afford that much a year? by the way how many times do you go to doctors each year? does it makes sense to you?? or you think you are putting money in the "bank"and they will run to help you when you really need help with serious problem?

paing tax won't save you from different kind disadvantages....likewise, paing addition fees which always follows after visiting 'free doctor',
you won't be able to go the doc you select,,,,and treatment .....it won't the best,,, it will be min.

Misha is correct....people stays in line (years) to reach free specialist in Evrope....
people hwo use health insurance have right doc in right time

Julia, I pay because I am the employer not the employee. My employees do not pay, I do and I take my tax deductions on it every year.

Mihail, my husband is a former CPA, he also worked as a manager in insurance company for 9 years, he know more than we all in combined how
corrupted and incorrect Tax system and health insurance system are in US..
that is why he started his own businesses as he have seen it all with
his own
eyes how many people being turned down for health care (killed) just
because they had preexisting conditions 10 years before they got their
insurance.

Julia, no one is arguing that the system has a ton of problems, but they cannot be fixed because the price of fixing is too high. It's not fair, I know, that's life. Live with it. But it is sad to see that anyone who immigrated from USSR would say something like that, of all the immigrant groups in this country, we should be the last one to say it.

Roman, how many employees do you have? it is indeed VERY LOW $1100 per
month for a company... especially when they don't pay anything.

The reasoning kind of “we do not pay for the police – why should we pay fro drugs and health care?" is just laughable.
The cost of the police services is pretty stable – usually so nobody needs massive private investment in this institution.
Cost of R &D and new equipment in pharmacy and medical industry by their nature (every time you solve more and more complicated problems). For example, you spend billions and years for the new generation drug- and the result is negative. Then you create another one – and it turns to be detrimental due to side effects in several years (like vioxx) - and you have to pay billions punitive damage. Only charging big, money you can assure the progress. The same with new healing techniques. They replace MRI complexes every two years – the government health care even don’t have old ones in proper numbers …

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<br />corrupted and incorrect Tax system and health insurance system are in US

Of cause it is - but again - the best hospitals are here. And guess where about 90% Nobel prize laureates in Medicine are from?

Mihail, my husband is a former CPA, he also worked as a manager in insurance company for 9 years, he know more than we all in combined how

I doubt it, Julia, because you repeat after him so many wrong things. BTW, I also worked in insurance company - not very long though. If you husband knew something beyond his state, let's say, he would know that Europe, England particularly - very consistently copies the American experience in health care!!! Tell him to wake up! With all reservations, this system is much better overall.

If you want, I can find for you some materials from my course projects - official documents of the EU

Roman, thanks for clarification, it sounded from your post that you
pay that much in total. but what do you have to say about the fact that
insurance companies have departments which do only special
investigations on every claim about preexisting conditions? the only
reason to have that in the company would be to have a goal to make more
money over people's death.

Mihail, WAKE the hell UP, we are #38 on the worlds map with our health system! where are you getting your ideas of us being Best of the Best at it?

Julia, these "places" depend on the "methodics" of calculation rather than on anything objective. Have you ever paricipated in creating any ratings? I did. And bet I can offer presentable systems where the US will be either #1 or #100.
BTW, one of our professors told me how the Biz. Schools ratings were calculated. The humanitarian leftist females, about 35 y.o., never stayed close to business... They awarded for affirmative actions, for example. My college was #51, I believe. After they were dealt with, we became #26 ...

but what do you have to say about the fact that insurance companies have departments which do only special investigations on every claim about preexisting conditions?

What do I have to say ? I say they are running a business. Welcome to the exciting world of capitalism. Isn't that why you came here ?

I don't understand, Julia, what do you want ? That we all hold hand and sing we are the world ? Free healthcare, no war, natural energy, no oil, reduction of emmissions to reduce effect of global warming and all people are working to better themselves instead of being motivated by greed and money ? Is that it ?

Julia: but what do you have to say about the fact that insurance companies have departments which do only special investigations on every claim about preexisting conditions?

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Roman: What do I have to say ? I say they are running a business. Welcome to the exciting world of capitalism. Isn't that why you came here ?

I'd say, guys, that in the system Julia is pushing for, people will be denied any high quality treatment without any investigation - based on their political views, for example and/or a position in the socialist hierarchy. Like in the USSR. Doctors were even prohibited from prescribing listed effective medicine, if a sick person was not served by the infamous Fourth Department of Minzdrav

it's a well known fact: Insurace companies sell AIR.....

Any business other than material manufacturing, agriculture and helacare sell Air. No surprise: the watershed between Reps and Dems lie here. DEms are generealy supported by the Air sellers money: Entertanment, media, law firms, insurance, "investors", Unions, organized crime, "advocacy groups", subversive freaks, etc ...

Roman,
there is a lot of money to be made in new industries, the
only difference will be there will be no oil monopoly that controls
worlds economy, automobile industry and our politicians - welcome to
free market, competitive pricing and real capitalism. universal health
care is what people deserve. you still can keep your insurance if you
like - if you think it is worth it to pay $13200 per year for one
person to visit doctors couple of times - that is another one of your
opinions that "makes sense" to you. I would pay taxes for it instead to
keep doctors to be more motivated to help me, not to kill me.

I would pay taxes for it instead to <br />keep doctors to be more motivated to help me, not to kill me.
How laughable. At no time in the human history, the government paid employees had any motivation based on their pre-determined/guaranteed sallaries flat sallary whatsoever to help ordinaty people. But even if they had, they would be able to provide only the outdated level services - mostly 19-century-stile emotional contact - that is it. Financing any technological progress is almost impossible within the socialist model you are advocating.
Is it too complicated for comprehention, Julia?

Mihail, let me ask you a few questions.. do you think our police does a bad job? do you think there are underfunded? do you think they have primitive technology and equipment to work with? do you think our fire departments are underfunded? do you think they do a bad job? do you think they have bad equipment and technologies to work with? do you think we should pay police and fire fighters instead of "communistic" structure of their system we have now? it is communistic already according to you!

maybe we should start paying CIA and FBI and all other agencies as well? (fr) how about our Judges??? let's make it all capitalistic! Let's start paying Judges per trial! what a great idea! why do you think we don't do it? because it will be impossible to have fare trials, the same as health care - it is impossible to have fare treatment for everyone the way it is now.

Have you hear about such a country as USSR? Its natural resources, to some estimations surpassed that of the US up to 70 times. And yet, it got bankrupt - simply because they followed you advice (probably they read them via the Time machine).

Are you at the mission to destroy this country the same way the USSR was destroyed, Julia?

Julia, do you think you can discuss an issue without addressing your opponent’s arguments?
Just try to compare the cost of the police services per capita - and cost of healthcare. The magnitude of medical R&D and that of the police. And yes, there is always outcry: the police is chronically underfunded. You didn't hear ever about that? The socialist/government care might be (and might be not) satisfactory in maintaining some mediocre past achievements. Any sufficient progress or fast response to an abrupt change is virtually impossible. Look at the Katrina events: all the levels of government fails – and the most socialistic failed most badly. And in more socialist countries like USSR, China and India – the quality of reaction is even worse …

maybe we should start paying CIA and FBI and all other agencies as well? how about our Judges??? let's make it all capitalistic! Let's start paying Judges per trial! what a great idea! why do you think we don't do it? because it will be impossible to have fare trials, the same as health care - it is impossible to have fare treatment for everyone the way it is now

Julia, you are making the same logica glitch again and again. The agencies you metioned are supposed to maintain status quo. Healthcare must develop dramaticalyy. Socialism is an enemy of any helathy development - so it kills any rapid growth ...