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Ирина S 25.11.2009 10:05

Майк, судя по первоисточнику, если правильный перевод, то Лилит не проститутка, а первая феминистка!

Светлана Гэмм 25.11.2009 10:21

Ирина, немного уточнения...первым еврей был таки да Абрам, который стал Абрахам, когда он с Богом заключил соглашение сделав обрезание...ему то Бог и пообещал Землю Обетованную и сделать потомков его народом...Моисей же вывел евреев из Египта, получил от Бога десять заповедей и привел их на Землю Обетованную, в которую сам зайти не мог в наказание...

Mihail 25.11.2009 10:50

ТОРА была, как руководство и закон к действию для всех евреев и не евреев (юморили Боги), но потом как говорит история они разделились на два клана, но тем не менее они были евреи.
Извиняюсь за необразованность. А это как? Не евреи, тем не менее евреи?

Ирина S 25.11.2009 10:57

Извиняюсь за необразованность. А это как? Не евреи, тем не менее евреи?
Здорово, правда! когда палестинские евреи стали принимать в их веру не евреев, им тоже дана была ТОРА!

Mihail 25.11.2009 11:00

В смысле, что тем кому дали ТОРУ, стали евреями? а почему на два клана поделились. Может дадите какую-нибудь ссылку почитать? а то я тут вас от дела отнимать буду

Лина 25.11.2009 11:06

Pomoemy ona imeet v vidy evreev i tex evreev kotorie prinyali krist'yanstvo - dva klana.

Ирина S 25.11.2009 12:06

Pomoemy ona imeet v vidy evreev i tex evreev kotorie prinyali krist'yanstvo - dva klana.
Да, Лина, верно, спасибо!(F)

Может дадите какую-нибудь ссылку почитать?
Нет у меня ссылок, к сожалению, это я умничаю.(H)

Mike 25.11.2009 14:13

When Tamar was told, "Your father-in-law is on his way to Timnah to shear his sheep," 14she took off her widow's clothes, covered herself with a veil todisguise herself, and then sat down at the entrance to Enaim, which ison the road to Timnah. For she saw that, though Shelah had now grownup, she had not been given to him as his wife. 15 When Judah saw her, he thought she was a prostitute, for she had covered her face. 16Not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he went over to her bythe roadside and said, "Come now, let me sleep with you."
"And what will you give me to sleep with you?" she asked.
17 "I'll send you a young goat from my flock," he said.
"Will you give me something as a pledge until you send it?" she asked.

Светлана Гэмм 25.11.2009 14:29

that's what I found...
Many people mock the idea that a 12 or 13 year old child is an adult, claiming that it is an outdated notion based on the needs of an agricultural society. This criticism comes from a misunderstanding of the significance of becoming a bar mitzvah.
Bar mitzvah is not about being a full adult in every sense of the word, ready to marry, go out on your own, earn a living and raise children. The Talmud makes this abundantly clear. In Pirkei Avot, it is said that while 13 is the proper age for fulfillment of the Commandments, 18 is the proper age for marriage and 20 is the proper age for earning a livelihood. Elsewhere in the Talmud, the proper age for marriage is said to be 16-24.

Светлана Гэмм 25.11.2009 14:30

Bar mitzvah is simply the age when a person is held responsible for his actions and minimally qualified to marry. If you compare this to secular law, you will find that it is not so very far from our modern notions of a child's maturity. In Anglo-American common law, a child of the age of 14 is old enough to assume many of the responsibilities of an adult, including minimal criminal liability. Under United States law, 14 is the minimum age of employment for most occupations (though working hours are limited so as not to interfere with school). In many states, a fourteen year old can marry with parental consent. Children of any age are permitted to testify in court, and children over the age of 14 are permitted to have significant input into custody decisions in cases of divorce.


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