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Светлана Гэмм 08.01.2010 15:42

In the 1930s, it was the intellectuals who pooh-poohed the dangers from the rise of Hitler and urged Western disarmament"
btw, what's there to substantiate?..was the world full of intellectuals screaming back in the 30s that Hitler was very dangerous, eventhough his book was out for everyone to read?? or it took millions to die before they finally got it?? (ch)
yeah, except we are all here, and not in a communistic China or N Korea..and their doors are open too..
I mean, do you actually have to be an intellectual to know that we live in a great country?? (ch)

Мария 08.01.2010 17:20

How and why such patterns have existed among intellectuals is achallenging question, whose answer can determine the fate of millionsof other people.
Вопрос очень сложный, и ответ на него трудно сформулировать в двух словах...
Мне кажется, что среди интеллигенции/интеллектуалов очень много малодушных и трусливых людей. Бога они обычно отвергают, но в поисках защиты обращаются к идеям статизма.

Khramaya 09.01.2010 01:31

"Reagan, even though doesn't fit the profile, if not intellectual, but areally great person..he, on his own, came up with the strategy to winthe Cold War, no one ever tried before, and it worked..
- if I am reading this right - this means that Reagan single-handedly came up with this strategy and this was the only thing that brought the Soviet Union down?
Hmmmmmm.... how about not so simple?
maybe we need to add a little bit more complexity since we at least are trying to be intelligent -not intellectual:-D

Светлана Гэмм 09.01.2010 01:37

Julia, I thought we already covered in great details "the complexicity of his strategy/ies" in many other topics..I just pointed out that many people on the left today who consider themselves intellectuals still refuse to admit his strategy worked..
but speaking about other strategies...the liberals including Obama has been very critical of Bush's strategy and his war on terror, in your opinion, has Obama's approach been successful (diplomacy and all the butt-kissing)?? Honestly??

Гера Така 09.01.2010 02:23

Interestingly, the todays "intellectual" as the Progressives call themselves invision their world involving into something - the world we lived in - in 1970s... The time of Brezhnev's Развитой Социализм.
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... and then some of the participants of these discussions (here) are surprised why stupid me (and alike) - are against their enlightened thinking!

Светлана Гэмм 09.01.2010 02:34

Мне кажется, что среди интеллигенции/интеллектуалов очень многомалодушных и трусливых людей. Бога они обычно отвергают, но в поискахзащиты обращаются к идеям статизма.
Маша, interesting observation..Limbaugh's words - you take God out of equation, all you have is government..:-|
but what's more interesting is that all the great ideas of the intellectuals/elite regarding the improvement of the regular people's lives, they don't want to apply to themselves..just like our commies, they lived in a totally different system..when republicans offered an amendment for the members of Congress to enroll in the public option, what do all dems do?? (ch) they voted it down..hmm...why is it, if their ideas are supposed to be great for the regular people??

Лина 09.01.2010 02:39

the liberals including Obama has been very critical of Bush's strategy and his war on terror
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they were critical of his lack of strategy

Светлана Гэмм 09.01.2010 02:55

yeah, one more - members of Congress have an option to opt out of social security..and we don't..:-|

Mike 09.01.2010 03:06

all federal and state employees who were a part of the federal pension system as of 1982 (or something like that) can opt out of social security. new members of congress cannot opt-out.

Khramaya 09.01.2010 03:51

"
- "you take God out of equation, all you have is government."
-when I read , hear or see stuff like this, first I get seizures, and then I feel like immigrating again far, far away..... where should I go? Australia? New Zealand? is there any country in the world that will not shove G-d in our faces and just let us be? How about some degree of moderation as well - not calling all on the left spineless and all on the right -whatever people call them? - how about a little more gray and a little less black and white?
Or is it not intelligent any longer to see things in the gray zone?


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