interesting fact about the education Americans receive in public aschools and Ivy League schools..
NewYork,May 29, 2002 ? Almost two-thirds of Americans think Karl Marx?smaxim,?From each according to his ability, to each according to hisneeds? wasor could have been written by the framers and included intheConstitution, according to a nationwide survey commissioned by ColumbiaLaw School.

wow! that's a great analysis...
This is exactly as much analysis as it deserves.

I'd like to deviate from current thread, if you don't mind. We can wait for voices of our Conservative teachers to be heard, there is at least three of them in this group.
Julia Stein have made a following point many times: immigrants from FSU who call themselves Conservative are hypocrites. For reaping social benefits (SSI, Medicaid, Medicare) by elderly who did not contribute to this country. I just thought of something.
I, as a conservative am against unfair social programs: free dwellings for healthy unemployed adults, welfare for the same group, furniture allowances, prom dress allowances, cell phone allowances (they all exist in NYC). (To be continued)

Alexey, you are supporting my viewson who teach in our schools with your deep thoughts..

are you telling me people don't vote with their bottom line, the teachers' unions are not partisan? what's your theory on teachers being liberal?

or you are subscribing to the nut theory that unless you are a liberal you don't care for people, don't do your job well and are basically a racist?
I work with a diverse population, and treat everyone as people and the same...my political views have nothing to do with what I do..
Oh, I also find it amusing how the biggest defenders of public schools send their kids to private..:-)they probably don't like diversity for their kids?

Continued...
Of course, giving free medical insurance, free or very inexpensive living arrangements, food stamps, free shoes, glasses, air conditioners, etc. to people who have never contributed to US, (and never will) may seem as unfair. But is it?
Take an average couple of this sort. They came here when they were well in their 70's. Right?
They have grown kids, in their 40's - early 50's and grandchildren, in late teens or early 20's. Their children (two on the average) go to work and work for 20 -25 years each, paying SSI, taxes, creating personal wealth, paying property taxes, etc...These people were not educated here, they did not use any social resources of this country prior to their arrival and will not use any after their retirement. Same for grandchildren. Isn't it only fair that those elderly who were robbed off their pensions by Mother Russia will receive a little portion of the benefits that their children and grandchildren earned but never used?

Ira, I used immigrants from FSU as an example only because:
a) Their cases are familiar to me.
b) They are being accused of hypocrisy when turning Conservative.
Don't know much about Mexican families. I do know that statistically immigrants from FSU contribute more in taxes then Dominicans, let's say. Just a cold case of numbers speaking for themselves. No politics. Also, if an American who was born here does not see the difference between someone who works as a structural engineer and pays over 100K in taxes per household per year, and someone who works in grocery while his common law wife gets WIC checks for their 7 children, then that American is a damn fool.

ух какие тут все --по англиски усе !!! да есе все политикли -корект !!! че вы тут все рассписуетес...в парламент даваите !!! деретесь кто кто !!!?? либерал и все --консерватив и все!!! переписали все тыт с интернета -- а как такового мнения нет не у одного !!!! точно как политики --"пи@@дят " без толку как вы .....

Ira, if you go to any european country and just start living there without any permission to live and work , would you get social benefits?

ааа так че все хотят бенефит.... ха самие классние бенефиту --либерали дают !!!!:-P :-P :-P :-P

Mike, hard decision, she's not a troll. She is one of original members of this group, named Tatiana Merkush. She is also known as infamous "Сонька" - мечта Дана and a constant KVN character.
Голубушка, как говорил Жеглов твоей другой alter ego - Маньке Облигации, " - Что же ты мне парня портишь?"

ага !!! я с какой -- с канады -- тут эти либиралы--- были долго!!! ,,с 1989 -2006 -- за то хот "марихуану" разрешили --курить !!
а то что все друг на друга нападают --- тут все свободние выбрать свою партию... а если ты не такой как все ми тебя завалим --обосрем -- делаы все как мы ...точно совкобые принцепы !!!8oI

1. there is a lot of Jews in Cali who are not conservatives or republicans, but very liberal (I am in one of those groups :-))

2. the question with the Russian Jews receiving benefits has been puzzling someone for a while..:-)I personally think there were no benefits,the immigrants fromt he former SU would not be starving, nor their parents..they would find waysto support each other, just like lots of them did in the 70s...it's all about mentality that exists in a lot of those liberal areas..imo..

yh --oleg --pamyat y tebya --- klass!! daje jeni nakazi navernoe ne zabivaesh --kypi --poroshok --- takoy v golubenkoy ypokovochke !! tochno privezesh takoy kakoy skazala !!! klass pamyat kak y slona!!!! yvajau !!(Y) (Y) (Y)

So, are you suggesting that the services should be applied based onnationality of the recipients? Just like that? A Jew - will get them, aMexican - no way no how?
Ira, what is it? Midterm Elections are getting closer, we need to take off the kid's gloves? Have I said that? I just pointed out to Julia Stein that immigrants from FSU are not being hypocritical while supporting conservative causes, because they have paid their dues.

короче кричите --не кричите --все Америки больше нет какой она была!!! наступает новый --сосиализм нациализация банков -- и все пипетс!! и к какой вы партии пренадлижуте -- "шишкам" все равно !!! кто мы все??? ИМИГРАНТЫ -- ВСЕ СИДИ И МОЛЧИ !!! ТОЛьКО ТУТ МОЖНО --О Я ТАКОЙ И СЯКОЙ !!!

benfits are not given to jews, they are given to any legaly admitted residents. Mexicans who are legaly in this country get the same benefits as any nationality.

Ira, my dearest!!! I think that the law should be blind. Even if statistics tell otherwise. The cases that we are discussing here are for "entertainment purposes" only. If a Mexican immigrant who owns 5 bodegas decides to support tough border control, be it. I will not call him a hypocrite. If this country had implemented any normal immigration system we would have nothing to discuss. Just like a 100 years ago every immigrant was just an immigrant, not a political pawn. Was there a difference between Irish immigrant or let's say Swiss? Sure there was. Is there a difference between their descendants? I don't think so. Spanish speaking immigrants have been formed into a powerful "Latino" group, that needs funds, funds, funds, funds. For that reason they are being held down, made into second class citizens, who are being held in schools that teach in Spanish (whatever that program is called). Do we have colleges teaching in Spanish? Bingo.

Ira: I am am elementary and spec. ed teacher and soon to bea K-12 ESOL teacher, not a college professor andI love my job. But I am tired of balancing between rulesand regulations that come from the New York State and real life in the classroom, too much "political correctness" when talking to the parents who blame school for everything.... without even making the slightest effort to support their own children..... I was taught by my democratic professors (one of them wouldn't start her class without saying "I hate Republicans") that parents should not be held accountable for their children's academic achievements and you know what kind of population we are talking about here.... But I can't ignore what I see..... Please, don't ask me for the details... That is why I said that I lost my mind deciding who's right and who's wrong.... (F)

So, don't read between the lines. And don't project what other bad, mean, bloodsucking Republicans say on me. I used an example of two generations of productive people paying their fair share for the benefits received by their elderly, be they Chinese, Jewish, Mexican, or Creplachi. (from Creplachistan). Julia Stein had raised that question in Nedvigina's group lately and Lina added her favorite "battered wife syndrome theory" . I refuse to participate in that group while Vishnevetskiy is a memeber, but I read it from time to time. How you construed that I think that Jews should receive more benefits than Mexicans from it, I don't know.

I work with a diverse population, and treat everyone as people and thesame...my political views have nothing to do with what I do..
After what you said before, I doubt that.

quit addressing my posts then...your comprehension of what I am saying needs much improvement...

I actually think most liberals and conservatives want the same basic things in life....
they just get hung up on certain topics....

Although Ira is gone I just wanted to add that Julia Stein have mentioned the hypocrisy of Russian sparking conservatives in this group. Many times. Mentioning her Brooklyn relatives.

quit addressing my posts then...your comprehension of what I am saying needs much improvement...
Deal. You are the only one who complains about my comprehension. Think about that.

please...I am not one of your students...I've been out of school for 11 year this december...don't tell me what to think about...:-)(v)(F)

as far as hypocrisy - I never stated that it is in any way limited to any particular group. NOBODY if completely free of hypocrisy.
Some have little, some live it. But hypocrisy I find maddening in hard-core conservatives living on pensions although they never worked in this country is especially hard to explain, it's just a bizarre thing for me.....

Constitution of the United States of America
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ”
The Preamble does not grant any particular authority to the federal government and it does not prohibit any particular authority. It establishes the fact that the federal government has no authority outside of what follows the preamble, as amended. "We the people", is one of the most-quoted sections of the Constitution. It was thought by the Federalists during this time that there was no need for a bill of rights as they thought that the preamble explained the people's rights.
ТАК КАКАЯ РАЗНИЦА--МЕЖДY ЕВРЕЕМ И МЕКСИКАНСЕМ??

Thank God someone is going to draw the line in the sand...whether you are right or left, there should be no "I'm independent" You are either Conservative or you are not!

Мне выражение "independent" напоминает - "немного беременная". Либо туда - либо сюда. Мне республиканская партия на сегодняшний момент абсолютно не импонирует, но это потому что призыв хреновый.

lol, everyone loves to slam the independents :)
so basically if you reject both corrupt parties that are in power in this country and don't buy the ridiculous propaganda from both sides you are somehow "немного беременный"?

so i guess at this particular juncture of my life i hate the typical conservatives more.. so would that make me a liberal? :)

Мне выражение "independent" напоминает - "немного беременная".
Hmmm... maybe "I'm a little bit country, I'm a little bit rock-n-roll" is more suitable here?

Михаил, а если мы тебе дадим большой-прибольшой мешок какапли и индивидуальную прости-господи, чистенькую-проверенную ;-)...will you love us then? pleeeeeeeeeeze...:-(

:-D(K)(md)

For me to "like" the conservatives they need to stay away from my personal business..
Btw, since when is it just conservative/liberals? what happened to everyone else? Like libertarians?

For me to "like" the conservatives they need to stay away from my personal business..

so, low taxes, strong security, school vouchers, канапля, прости-господи своя!...all these ain't enough?

по-моему ты ломаешься? будешь сильно губу раскатывать, мы по-дешевле найдем...;-)

All schools of libertarianism support strong personal rights to lifeand liberty, though some disagree on the subject of private property.[8] The most commonly known formulation of libertarianism supports free market capitalism[8] by advocating a right to private property, including property in the means of production,[9] minimal government regulation of that property, minimal taxation, and rejection of the welfare state, all within the context of the rule of law
that would be me.. Ron Paul for the president!!

sorry to disappoint you...he is a liberitarian, but socially you would not call him that - he is socially what he say conservative (pro-life, traditional marriage, etc), but he is for state rights...

most of his views are fine...I share most of them...did you check out his foreign policy views? of isolationism...

and for some strange reasons, this past primary election he was supposed by the no-nazis...very strange..(tr)

Mike, good news ;-)

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what's wrong with Independent? Can't we chose on platforms, on issues? Do you always vote along party lines? - this is crazy....
Don't we look at personal record of those we elect? I voted many times for Reps, and many times for Dems. Locally a number of Reps I know are trustworthy, they have a record of doing healthy things for the community, so why do I have for others- just because of their label? This would be just herd mentality.