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Светлана Гэмм 27.04.2010 11:40

I don't care if the left equates it to racial profiling.. no one will die if they are asked about their legal status.. if it saves tax payers money, reduces crime and save lives by catching and sending anyone who is here illegally back, I am all for it..

Мария 27.04.2010 11:51

I agree... Why should anyone even pay attention to the complaints of racial profiling? It's such a bogus issue.

Лина 27.04.2010 12:05

yet you consider the race question on the US census intrusive, unconstitutional...
I can totally see some overzealous cop on a power trip abusing his authority, and this thing getting way out of hand. does this mean that anyone visiting Arizona has to carry a passport on their person at all times?

Лина 27.04.2010 12:40

what if you're a passenger and the cop thinks you look suspicious? what if you're a tourist? you think a cop can tell the difference between a real visa and a fake?
nothing about this reminds you of the former Soviet Union?

Лина 27.04.2010 12:44

Under the new law, signed by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) on Friday, legal immigrants will be required to carry documents proving their status. Police will question anyone they "reasonably suspect" of being undocumented,
I don't see any mention of speeding here.

Светлана Гэмм 27.04.2010 12:49

obviously only someone who knows nothing about the Soviet Union could only have made the comparison.. there was no one who wanted to come to the SU illegally or legally.. people wanted to run from there.. we have a federal law on the books that can land you in prison for coming and staying here illegally.. if feds don't enforce it, the states have every right too..

Натан Мэвэ 27.04.2010 12:57

Светлана,
The new Arizona law is exact copy of the federal statute that is on the books already, that allows Immigration and Customer Enforcement Agency (ICE) to question people in order to determine if they are in the country legally.
In the face of the Federal Government's total abdication of its responsibility to protect the borders and actually enforce THE LAW, the state government of Arizona and its law enforcement agencies will now be able to enforce the law that the feds refuse to enforce.

Лина 27.04.2010 12:59

please, you know if this was Obama's initiative, you'd be the first to yell something about communism, privacy, and violation of your basic rights and freedoms, while waving the constitution and the American flag.

Лина 27.04.2010 13:34

ICE can not detain nor can they deport you simply because you refuse to answer.Some people choose not to speak at all. Others choose to identifythemselves by name and ask to speak with an attorney. If you areultimately arrested, you may want to identify yourself by name so thatfriends and family members can contact you.
***********.washingtonlawhelp.org/documents/1974518106EN.pdf?stateabbrev=/WA/
The new law makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. without proper documents. It allows the police to stop anyone on "reasonable suspicion" that they may be in the country unlawfully and arrest them on the spot if they can't produce identity papers. The police aren't required to have a search warrant or even to suspect some illegal action has occurred before questioning a person.
it's really not the same thing.

Лина 27.04.2010 13:46

Arizona's police chiefs association opposed the new law. Local enforcement agencies don't want responsibility for enforcing national immigration laws because they say it makes them less effective at their day jobs. When people in immigrant communities see the local police as deportation agents, they become less likely to report crimes and help in investigations. Conditions worsen.



Restrictionists insist, with some justification, that these laws are shrinking the illegal population. The larger reality is that border crossings track the economy. The recent downturn has meant fewer illegal entries and more immigrants going home. Before the law, Arizona's illegal population had fallen 18% in the past year.


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