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Юлия Whod 19.05.2008 05:30

Vladimir, let me ask you another question, why do you think prices for oil are rising?

Виталий Мэв 19.05.2008 06:02

I remembered one movie....
<h1 style="font-weight: normal;">"The
Distinguished Gentleman"</h1>

On a bill to limit awards in malpractice suits, it doesn't matter
which way he votes.

"If you're for it, I can get you money from the doctors and
the insurance companies," Corrigan says. "If you're against
it, I can get you money from the trial lawyers."



"If that's true," Johnson asks, "how does anything
get done?"

"It doesn't," Corrigan says, "that's the beauty of
the system."

Amos 19.05.2008 06:06

There you go, Vitaliy got the right idea. It's true, it is not only about the personal wealth its about hundreds of thousands of people who are employed and millions of investors and stock holders.

Vladimir Tovk 19.05.2008 07:01

Roman, now you are confusing me (md) which exactly technology are you reffering to which would stop wars? or eliminate poverty? etc.

Amos 19.05.2008 07:50

Well lets look at the situation as a whole. We have tons of alternative energy technology putting to work everything from wind to water. Poverty, we can handle and you know it. Drugs, we can take down if we wanted to, militarize our border, nice big fense, we'll be good to go. Hunger, we have sufficient number of chemicals that we can quadrupal the food supply. The problem is, we cannot expose it all. It has to be gradually and very very slowly.

Amos 19.05.2008 08:18

Eugene, would you like to repeat your speach to the State of Israel ? I doubt they will agree that Sadam is exactly whats needed for Middle East and if you remember he sttod trial for crimes against the Kurds, so I doubt they would agree with you either. Sadam, was a threat, plain and simple.

Amos 19.05.2008 09:16

I have not, but we cannot ignore the fact that Iran never attacked Israel, Iraq under Sadam has.

Amos 19.05.2008 14:00

Eugene you are a mortgage broker, first thing you look at is a credit report. A record of past acts. Here the credit report is simple, Iraq is shooting rockets while Iran so far only shooting off its mouth. May be history will prove us wrong, but we can only act on what we see.

Ирэна Как 20.05.2008 00:27

I just joined this forum and found this discussion.
Though many years ago, I voted for Hillary's husband and before that voted for GW's father and before that voted for the best President the U.S. ever head - Ronald Reagan:) But today, I am giving my vote to the one and only candidate we will feel safe with, a candidate who has more political experience than any of the weirde choices we've got and that is Senator McCain. :-D

Mihail35 20.05.2008 01:03

Полностыью согласен с Ириной! (Y) McCain is a clear choice!
У нас вчера в Портленде был Обама. Собрал довольно большую аудиторию деркократов, либералов, и пустозвонов (72000 человек). Самое смешное что музыкальное сопровождение было предоставлено местной группой The Decemberists (Декабристы) :-D (по моему у них там кто-то в группе русский). Обама говорил все одно и тоже: "...change is coming...", "..it will get better..." и так далее...демагог, блин! (N)

Ирэна Как 20.05.2008 01:09

Михаил:) А выбора вообщем-то и нет. Я вообще удивлена, что Хилари не выигрывает, xотя для Республиканцев это лучше;)
(зовут меня Ирена, Ирина это совсем другое;))

Mihail35 20.05.2008 01:16

Простите за misspel, Ирена ;-)...а у Hillary нет шансов вообще...выборы будут между Obana и McCain.

Amos 20.05.2008 02:11

Absolutno soglasen, vibiraem McCain ne potomu shto luchshiy a prosto bolshe ne kovo.

Виталий Мэв 20.05.2008 02:23

Как можно вообще ставить на демократов, если в этот раз у них был идеальный вариант.. найти более-менее приемленого белого мужчину с нормальным политическим опытом.... И его бы радостно выбрала Америка... Так нет, они нашли одного афро-американца и одну женщину с сомнительной репутацией...
Как результат - они проиграют там, где, казалось,проиграть невозможно...
Если они все делают так, можно ли доверять им страну?

Mihail35 20.05.2008 02:34

Согласен в Виталием на 100%! (Y) Как это не прискорбно, у дермократов был шанс, но они им не воспользовались (пока). У президента Буша и республиканцев были просчеты в политике (особенно во внешней), но я не вижу кандидата у дермократов, который смог бы сделать, что-то лучше, чем это сделает McCain ( с его-то опытом политической борьбы!!!).

Amos 20.05.2008 02:38

Da no u McCain, est tolko odin opit, eto vizhivat v Washington, e vse. On ne kogda ne bil "chief executive" na primer Governor ili Mayor. U nevo tolko legislative experience. Pomimo tovo shto on ochen ochen moderate to say the least. Last President who was not a chief executive was JFK. Democrats have no chance but our boy will discourage the conservative base from voting and that may cause a problem. Obama is taking JFK approach and that is very smart. It will not be as simple as everyone thinks.

Amos 20.05.2008 02:41

Vitaly, doveryat Demokratam stranu nelzya ? Da im dazhe uborku ulits doveryat nelzya. :-D

зорина садн 20.05.2008 02:53

McCain will not have a landslide victory. His reputation of a moderate among republicans will hurt him. The conservatives (like Roman said before) and Christians in majority might not support him as they did Bush.
Plus democrats will try their hardest to link him to Bush, which would hurt with support of some clintonian democrats and independents.

Amos 20.05.2008 03:09

There is one glimmer of hope for a landslide. Zorina is right, Democrats will try to link McCain to Bush and of course the Iraq war, because that is all they got. In doing so they do not have a choice but to start bashing the war and offending soldiers and their families along with christian coservative right on the south, which is the GOP base, causing a lot of anger against Obama and a lot of support for McCain. Lets not forget McCain is a war hero and a former POW.

зорина садн 20.05.2008 03:23

I do not think that McCain being a war veteran will prevent democratic party or their supporters (like moveon.org) from running a smear campaign.
Remember Kerry? He was a war veteran and what was done to him?

зорина сад 20.05.2008 04:19

I guess I did not realize that the assault already started.
***********.mccainpedia.org/index.php/Main_Page

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 06:09

Julia: “you didn't take time to learn more about global warming is just a proof of your laziness or carelessness” --------
Learning what? Propagandist talking points? The techniques that allow unscrupulous meteorologists attract more attention and extract more grants (as did the “Problem 2000” false alarmists)?
Have you ever heard about the difference between mathematical model and the reality?
Do you know that 2007 was the coldest year in 30 years? And that despite the fact that many “scientific” thermometers were placed 30-35 years ago at the open spaces which now are objected to artificial hitting from chimneys, barbecue devices, jets engines, etc – due to urbanization.
Did you bother to compare the maps of Antarctica in 1915 (when the South Pole was first reached) with the modern map and recognize that the Ice shield increased dramatically nowadays?
I can promise you, Julia, there is no more free pass for the Demunist propaganda.

Igor Disyo 20.05.2008 06:34

There isn't really a serious choice outside of McCain.. Watching the Obamania with amusement, I can't help but recall one of Churchill's eloquent quotes "the best case against democracy is a 15-minute convesation with an average voter"

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 06:55

The Global Fooling
Noses have turned blue,
Shivering from cold reigns, even this March is stormy,
But people repeat they were taught to:
“Global Warming, Global Warming…”
Model consumers, devoted voters…
They can carry Kerry.
2004

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 07:10

Roman, da oni i ne rvutsya ubirat' licy - voobsche rukami rabotat' ne rvutsya. Eto ved' libo velfernaya publika - libo elita, glavnym obrazom iz anti-ekonomiki: lojerskie firmy, razvlekuha/pornuha, orgprestupnost', profsoyuzy, professional'nye "protestery", byurokratiya vseh urovnej, "investory"/ran'te/"starye nden'gi" ...

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 07:14

Керри был комической фигурой...
Pochemu byl? Osobenno horosho eto vidno vblizi - iz MA

Виталий Мэв 20.05.2008 07:17

Жаль Юля куда-то пропала... Видимо she took her time to research something..:):):):

Виталий Мэв 20.05.2008 07:19

"Pochemu byl? Osobenno horosho eto vidno vblizi - iz MA"
Ну у нас в Нью Йорке он тоже выглядел клоуном... Однако заведомо демократический Нью Йорк проголосовал за него.... Интересно, проголосует ли Нью Йорк за Обаму?

Mihail35 20.05.2008 07:44

Я думаю что проголосует :-(...так же как и мой Орегон. В последние годы (лет так 20-25) эти штаты стали полностью дермократическими и либеральными (N)

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 08:29

An ordinary civilian can’t imagine how painful is for a veteran even to hear any accusation aiming other veterans, even if those accusations are undeniable. Every harsh word about fellow soldiers they take personally. That is why the swift boats veterans didn’t express their concern about Senator Kerry – one more flip-flop senator – who cares? Let him be. Clenching their teeth, they (264 swift boat veterans) silently lived with the notion that the man who got his honorable dismissal when at least two of his wounds were scratches (no hospitalization) other veterans considered beneath them even to report to Mash. So, he left after couple months of duty – they left. Then he used the sensational libels against his comrades in order to build his career. They allowed him But the President candidate whose weaknesses they are aware about might cost that much … That is different – they suppressed their pain and came forward.

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 08:30

Zorina, I believe you compare apples to oranges. Kerry’s bid for the Presidency roused indignation among hundreds of veterans – who knew him directly: “Unfit for command” On the contrary, accusations against McCain are manufactured by healthy young character assassins. Unlike Kerry, McCain was tortured but didn’t betray his comrades for the sake of ending his captivity (the Vietnamese offered him freedom in exchange for signing the text similar to what Kerry voluntarily spewed everywhere for the career purposes and expediency).

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 08:40

Thing called love
We have been led to cynically believe that many politicians are disingenuous and generally phony, but few will ever beat Massachusetts Senator John Kerry. This man, who changed his middle initial to be JFK and at an anti-Vietnam rally threw someone else's medals into the water, made a self-promotion appearance with Boston talk-show maven Eddie Andelman and claimed he was a big Red Sox fan from his days growing up in Groton, Mass. And at the promotion he said Eddie Yost was his favorite player.
The problem with that is just the simple fact that Eddie Yost never played for the Red Sox.
********espn.go.com/gammons/s/blues/000715.html

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 09:14

Being dumb - definitely inexcusable. Before his stupid attemts, he was perceived just as an arrogant jerk - after them - as arrogant, stupid lliar. He didn't even manage to prepare his lies.

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 09:19

In the words of Panagopoulos, a team owner, these gaffes prove that John Kerry is "someone who's trying to be all things to all people, and so he's trying to act like he knows some of these things." When Kerry says "Lambert Field," he's advertising his ignorance while putting on the front of being a real fan.

In the conference room of a Washington, D.C., law firm, team owners Dino Panagopoulos and Jeff Larroca were laughing at how John Kerry called the Green Bay Packers' home stadium Lambert Field rather than Lambeau Field. Someone else remembered that Kerry continued to use a line about the greatness of Ohio State football after crossing into Michigan. In Michigan, people wear T-shirts that say, "Oh how I hate Ohio State."

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 09:25

Kerry thought there was a current member of the Red Sox named Manny Ortez. Not to mention that Kerry flinched like a coward while catching a football. (That is why Obama makes sure viewers see he is not that phony as Kerry - Barak does play basketball).
Still, when Kerry corrected himself he did mispronounce David Or-TEEZ as David Or-TEZZ.. This way he tried to show that he is “with people”!! Such a jerk as president?
The Football Fans did miss one more example of the supposed disconnect between Kerry and the sports-loving public. On March 18, New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd wrote:
Even when he puts on that barn jacket over his expensive suit to look less lockjaw—and says things like, ''Who among us doesn't like Nascar?''—he can come across like Mr. Collins, Elizabeth Bennet's pretentious cousin in ''Pride and Prejudice.''

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 11:06

Of course Mitt Romney. All others will just burry us. That is why the Main Stream media - the obeying instrument of the Dem party - the party of re-distributors, helped first Huckabee and then McCain to beat him.

Vladimir Tovk 20.05.2008 11:24

I do not think one needs to "try" linking McCain to Bush. He is
Bush II. All his maverick facade has evaporated. War - stay for
100 years , taxes - cut never mid what current situation is. Was against
religious fanatics - now loves Hagee. Where is the difference? Name it! I guess only visibly - not as much clown as Bush. Can pronounce -nucular. (N)

Ирэна Как 20.05.2008 12:07

Can I vote for Ronald Reagan?? :-D :-D But seriously, from what we have McCain will do (Y) (Y) (Y)

Vladimir Tov 20.05.2008 12:10

I think in couple of years McCain with get Alzhimers and his will be just like Reagan ;-)

Ирэна Как 20.05.2008 12:28

Reagan didn't have Alzheimers while President, so I think McCain will be fine as well;) Who knows, when Obama will be Reagan's age before he died, will have Alzheimers as well. We all might have it *-)


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