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Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 12:40

btw Misha McCain is for the "Global Fooling" ... hmmm
He is Bush II

Vova, You are as inconsistent, as your pick is :-D

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 12:42

Never said that McCain is what I want - but whatever imperfect he is - he is not even close as ugly and Soviet-like, as the Bureaucratic party bonzes

Vladimir Tov 20.05.2008 12:47

all inconsistency is on McCain side as stated before ... flipped on taxes, flipped on torture, flipped on religious fanatics... Enough?

Vladimir Tovk 20.05.2008 12:50

Reagan was formally diagnosed right after he left the office (how convenient ;-)) ********en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan but symptoms were noticable during the presidency

Виталий Мэв 20.05.2008 12:52

Vladimir...
I kind of feel bad for you...
With your opinions and your political views you'll be very disappointed in November... Very.

Виталий Мэв 20.05.2008 12:53

"but symptoms were noticable during the presidency"
???
What's your specialty, Doctor?

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 12:55

Well, you definitely want me to fix all flaus of the left-liberal education that pushed you towards Obama
Pick=choice of person, e.g.: 10 yeas ago Paul Pierce was the Celtic's "first pick". Where is "mat"?
Second, isn't it offensive to "explain" as to why if you state McCain's difference and in the next post deny any difference - you are inconsistent?

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 13:01

Reagan was formally diagnosed right after he left the office (how convenient
Very relaxing explanation: he successfully crashed Demunists, because he was ku-ku. How convenient and characteristic to the DEmies (N)

Vladimir Tovk 20.05.2008 13:05

Виталий quite opposite . I doubt Obama will win (Because of the race) but McCain would not be able to winn in a landslide. I will not be disapointed , since Dems will MOST definetly gain seats in the house and will get REAL majority in a senate. (not the fake one like now). so we will se odds are in Democrats favor... I would not be so sure. ;-)

Vladimir Tovk 20.05.2008 13:08

I am not as old as McCain ;-) to remember his condition or be his Doctor (how cute you on the right are all so fond of Nazis! Must be the reason why Republicans did not want to fight them? ). I did post my source you posted a lame joke.

Vladimir Tov 20.05.2008 13:12

"Former CBS White House Press Corps Lesley Stahl recalls in her book <i>Reporting Live</i>,
an "unsettling" interview with the president where "a vacant Reagan
barely seemed to realize anyone else was in the room", and that before
he "reemerged into alertness" she recalls that "I had come <i>that</i> close to reporting that Reagan was senile." Oh, right I forgot they are are "liberal mainstream media" - you gents are listening only to drug addict Limbaugh and Coulter (who picked Clinton :-D) ?

Ирэна Как 20.05.2008 13:15

What does age has to do with anything? It's the experience that counts and the deeds that one has done in the past....
Obama doesn't have either.... I too am saying that McCain is not the very best choice, but from what we have, as my 5 year old would, he is the bestest!!! (Y) (Y).

Ирэна Как 20.05.2008 13:17

Whatever medical condition Reagan had (even if it was during the Presidency), didn't make him a bad President;) We've had some in the office, that were totally alert and ....... Just look at Jimmy Carter (ch) (N) (N) (N)

Vladimir Tovk 20.05.2008 13:22

Let me think what a 72 year old can do ... die of natural causes, get
senile, Alzheimers. (Just get tired from this job - can not handle
it). On experience? I do not think I wanna see his experience in
office! Cutting 0.18c taxes? LOL or "solving" health care by giving
everyone 5000 deduction ( I already posted ; We all will lose
thousands on this) . Could it be his foreign policy experience - not
knowing the difference between Sunnis and Shiites. (and he wants to
continue occupation! LOL)

Ирэна Как 20.05.2008 13:26

Well, since you know so much about McCain and from what I gather he is not your favorite guy on the planet, I want to hear what Obama Hussein will do for us or what he promisses to do...
Those promisses, promisses (sigh) (ch)
Let's start from having a nice, friendly tea party with all the terrorirsts in the world yeah!!!!!! 8oI

Vladimir Tovk 20.05.2008 13:29

Before we move on .. back up please to your statement
"Let's start from having a nice, friendly tea party with all the terrorirsts in the world yeah!!!!!!"

Ирэна Как 20.05.2008 13:36

Not a problem:) Well, isn't it what Obama/Osama (oh sorry, that was Ted Kennedy who screwed up on the name;)) wants to do if he is elected?
He would sit down with the Iranian idiot, Syrian idiot, Palestinian idiot and all the idiots he could find and have a nice chit chat. How stupid and naiive. Jimmy Carter just did that and????? (N) (N) (N)

Vladimir Tovk 20.05.2008 13:39

and your loving Ronald Reagan was talking to Soviets, Bush is talking to NK and Gates/Rice are planning talks with Iran ( McCain said he would also talk with Hamas) . Your point ? How is it different?

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 13:42

Oh, right I forgot they are are "liberal mainstream media" - you gents are listening only to drug addict Limbaugh and Coulter (who picked Clinton -------
Oh eah, boorish and ignorant neurotics like Keith Olbermann - that is top.
BTW, I've been here just several hours - and heard about Limbaugh and Coulter from you more often than in months before. Is it your rejected love to Ann boiling up - or just well learned talking points from the Agitprop?

Vladimir Tovk 20.05.2008 13:45

Misha if you came to spew filth , I am just going to ignore you. If you want to learn manners (could be too late at your age) and talk issues , then please continue.
I did note the source - your turn.

Ирэна Как 20.05.2008 13:45

Where are you getting your news? McCain will talk to Hamas??? This is really good!!!! Can I get your source please and the rest of the ones you mentioned??
You want to compare Soviets with Iran, Syria and Hamas???
This is a good one too:)

Vladimir Tovk 20.05.2008 13:48

Looking for the source (just for you even though it is quite easy to do on your own - if you want to). Let me get it straight ! Cold war USSR with nukes is less threat then Iran and Syria?

Vladimir Tov 20.05.2008 13:49

***********.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/05/14/ST2008051404020.html

Thursday, May 15, 2008;
Page A04


The United States should construct a combination of incentives and pressure to engage Iran, and may have missed earlier opportunities to begin a useful dialogue with Tehran, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said yesterday.

Vladimir Tovk 20.05.2008 13:51

***********.msnbc.msn.com/id/17327091/
“I am prepared to meet my counterpart or an Iranian representative at
any time if Iran will suspend its enrichment and reprocessing
activities. That should be a clear signal,” Rice said in Washington.

Vladimir Tov 20.05.2008 13:55

***********.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975271.html
Republican John McCain on Tuesday promised to apply
massive diplomatic and financial pressure on Iran to try to prevent it
from developing a nuclear weapon if elected president.

Often accused of hawkish policies, McCain told MSNBC's "Hardball"
it would be difficult to convince the American people to go to war
against Iran.

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 14:01

Oh, Haaretz, MSNBC and WP are your soures? But even from those contaminated streams you caught nothing.

Vladimir Tovk 20.05.2008 14:04

"Oh, Haaretz, MSNBC and WP are your soures? But even from those contaminated streams you caught nothing." My point exactly ! You must be listening/respect only to Limbaugh? (I can apologize if I am wrong! ) But the point is do not shoot the messenger ! :-D

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 14:06

Very interesting background information about the orcestrated "apeasment outrage"
DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis
May 16, 2008
According to DEBKAfile’s political sources, Bush was furious when he found out that both Obama and Hillary Clinton had sent representatives to the international conference in Jerusalem to solicit campaign supporters in Israel...
The sensitivity of the Obama campaign to this issue prompted Ross and Kurtzer to leave the Knesset visitors’ gallery before the end of Bush speech to brief the senator on the passages denouncing would-be negotiators with “terrorists and radicals” in the context of those who appeased Hitler in 1939. They urged him to respond strongly without delay else all their lobbying efforts on his behalf would be wasted.
Obama took their advice.
***********.debka.com/article.php?aid=1349

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 14:07

DEBKAfile (Hebrew: ????????) is an Israeli, Jerusalem-based English language open source military intelligence website with commentary and analyses on terrorism, intelligence, security, and military and political affairs in the Middle East.
It began in the summer of 2000, and has since received Forbes' Best of The Web award.[1] Forbes identifies the best part of the website as being its archives, but decries the fact that "most of the information is attributed to unidentified sources."
DebkaFile reporting relies heavily on apparently well-placed sources within the Israeli military and intelligence communities...
Because of the close cooperation between the Israeli and United States military, DebkaFile sometimes offers behind-the-scenes insight into real-time U.S. foreign policy as expressed, for example, in actual ship or troop movements versus the "spun" or even intentionally misleading public statements of government and military officials

Ирэна Как 20.05.2008 14:10

Yes, you are right. It's easy to find various source. The question is how cradible are they?
and.....
***********.msnbc.msn.com/id/17327091/ “I am prepared to meet my counterpart or an Iranian representative at any time if Iran will suspend its enrichment and reprocessing activities. That should be a clear signal,” Rice said in Washington.
Exactly!!! She said "IF", but Obama is ready to unconditionally meet with all of the fanatics and probably tell them that they have been behaving badly lately.
And Mihail is totally right. Not Rice nor Gates, are running for the office of the President of this country. McCain has his own agenda and I bet you it's not the one where he will meet with every fanatic that Obama wants to meet with. And by the way? Where is the story about him meeting with Hamas? All I've seen is that he was totally against Carter going there and things it's an idiotic idea to meet with terrorists.

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 14:27

Very leftist NPR:
All Things Considered, October 13, 2007 · Sen. Barack Obama says that as president, he would use direct diplomacy to constrain Iran's role in Iraq, encouraging Iran to cooperate with the United States through non-military means.
"I got in an argument with Sen. Clinton back in the summer about this, because she suggested that that approach of negotiating without preconditions could be used for propaganda purposes and would be naive."

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 14:36

Barack Obama Caught Lying About Preconditions For Iran Talks
********youtube.com/watch?v=Lgr5XrEZTTw

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 14:55

American Thinker:
The Obama campaign is lying, and the New York Times is helping advance the lie. Despite having earlier published documentation proving the lie.
Barack Obama said something very stupid in a presidential debate last July: that he would meet with the leader of Iran without preconditions. Later on, he betrayed a profound ignorance of history (or maybe a willful misreading?) by claiming that Roosevelt, Kennedy and Truman had all done so. This would be laughable were the consequences of such a profound failure to learn the lessons of history so frightening.

But even worse, the campaign is now throwing his actual statement down the Memory Hole, and the New York Times is aiding and abetting this lie. Little Green Footballs and Hot Air's Allahpundit are all over the case. From LGF:

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Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 15:10

Always ready, Irena. :-D

Vova cannot imagine how much ammunition I have. His "sources" told him his opponents are worshiping Limbaugh and that is it. I've never heard Rush other then several seconds on TV - but I respect him. On the other hand, I know well about the garbage Vova's sources provide him. After he will see that his position is indefensible, he will say he is ignoring my posts.

Ирэна Как 20.05.2008 15:25

Misha, it is sad to have all this material . I wish it wasn't there because it wasn't true.... But unfortunately we are facing a reality here...... :-(

Михаил Штам 20.05.2008 15:40

Irena - it is only a tip of the Iceberg - of the gratest scam in the American history called "Project Obama"

Ирэна Как 20.05.2008 16:01

Mihail, and what about the wife? who only now began to be proud of this country (N)And his wonderful pastor Wright.... Poor Obama didn't know anything about his views.... He has known him for over 20 years and was probably deaf and blind while attending his church...... |-) |-) or conveniently lying now and he does with almost everything else....

Ирэна Как 21.05.2008 00:31

Da, Misha vchera porabotal;) Za-to skol'ko poleznoy informatsii;)
(Y) (Y) (Y) (Y)
Mihail iz Oregona, da.... U Vas tam ne veselo:((( Videla ya etu massovku Oregonskuu na dnyah:((( Skazhite, oni tam vse u vas v zabluzhdenii??? Ili eto svyazanno s tem chto mozhet S.F. ryadom?? :-(

Mihail35 21.05.2008 00:42

Ирена, у так большинство таких 8oI (N) А чем это обьяснить даже не знаю. Я не понимаю как люди после 9/11 могут голосовать за Хуссейна? Дермократы одним словом... (N)

Larsen Lovs 21.05.2008 00:44

mo eto vsetaki prosto polemika.....
vse ravno govosovat' budet predstavitel, stata - i ne izvesno escho sovpadet li vashe mnenie s ego.....
tut nikakogo obektivizma , tol,ko subektivnie mnenie odnogo idivida.... :-D


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