BTW, not all militias identify themselves as anti-govmt, nazis, etc. Some declare that their goal is supporting local law enforcement weakened by budget cuts.
After all, we have volunteer firefighters, guardian angels (unarmed) paroling street in troubled neighborhoods, maybe militias of local pre-screened community members is a next new thing.
I personally don't see a need for armed citizens getting together, but then again, I don't live on Mexico - Arizona border where illegals and drug smugglers are robing and killing local farmers.

That could be true -- I'll look at that radio station's website to see where they got the numbers and how they classify it.
My only problem with Fox, btw, is not the information that they provide, but the inflammatory tone of it -- I watch enough Fox News to see it.
When Bush was the President, Fox defended govt decisions, now it is against the govt -- so it is logically to assume that it contributes to the rise of political extremism from various militias. IMHO.

Aleksey, why single out FOX? MSNBC is exactly the same type of reporting on the other side...
Btw, Obama allowed off-shore drilling today..
drill, baby, drill :) lol

Oh, paleeeese,
MSNBC is the outlet of leftist hate. The country rejected that channel, nobody watches it except the most liberal members of society ( which is, thank God , a small minority).

Arrests of militia members in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana: ********tinyurl.com/ydtcsvl
Is the raise in political extreimsm the result of Fox News fueling the rage? Is this what US Conservatives want?
Don't bait that hook.:-)
It's just a convenient little news for the left. There are always some radicals on the fringes. But this tiny group ( more like one crazy family with several members) is no threat to our society.
The real threat is the idealogs in radical militant islamist groups who are plotting against all of us constantly, in America, and their numbers are several orders bigger than these "Christian" extremists ( there is no such a thing, BTW, unless you love Jesus so much that you quit everything Earthly and go the the monastery).
And the doulbe standard is that the media is afraid to offend the radical muslims, but is so brave to yell about extremist "chirstians".

well, I think the fake concern about extremism and violence expressed by the left outlets and commentators is an attempt to dismiss and silence the critics of the current administration.. "I don't have a problem with information on Fox, just think it's inflammatory" - would be an example of that.. what is exactly inflammatory?.. yes, people are concerned with what the government is doing.. yes, people are VERY concerned.. did they call for violence? no, they called for actions (through civil chanels - contacting your elective official, etc.. there will always be wackos who misconstrue any message.. but for people who are always silent when their opponents are insulted in an extreme way, often themselves smear opponents, rificule their family members, etc.. it's disingenuous to worry about it now, to say the least..

btw, the speaker of the House claimed people protesting at townhallmeetings wore swastika..again, an attempt to smear their opposition, inthis case just regular voters..and btw, what's the left wing militia?? if the right wing militia areanti-government, does it mean the gangs in LA are the left wing..Iheard they are for big-government, income redistribution,government-run healthcare..(ch)

oh, I forgot - I think the left-wing gangs are against death penalty and tougher prison terms for violent crimes.. (ch)

Good point about the gangs. They are noble redistributors of wealth.:-)
Very important point I want to make is that when the protests are organized by the conservatives, the organizers ALWAYS request that the participants be polite and civil. Because we do not want to be compromised by some crazos who can't control themselves. And considering the amount of people in the Tea Parties in the last year ( millions!!!), the participants are doing a darn good job !
But you can't say that of the militant leftists who are small in numbers, but so aggressive and vile that they stink a mile away. They are just deranged and dangerous elements of the society.
Those who shout down conservative speakers at the universities or on book tours, who call a president of US a Hitler , Nazi, and call for his death, etc. Disgusting(N)

I actually listened to the radio segment Alexei is referring to also, it was on NPR. They interviewed a guy from Southern Poverty Law Center, an expert on domestic terror. So I can look some facts on their site, too when I have a minute.

Mike, I agree about MSNBC -- Keith Olbermann makes my blood boil as much as Glenn Beck.
However, my observation was that during Bush administration the number militias did not rise significantly (when MSNBC was advocating for the minority party), while it did during the Obama administration (when Fox is advocating for the minority party). Maybe it's the number of programs on the news channels that are "inflammatory" (there are more on Fox)? I don't know.
And also, Slavik is right -- I don't know how they count "militias", maybe they count Salvation Army as a military organization :-). Yet, there are people who patrol the streets of Detroit on Devils/Angel's Night -- but they don't call themselves militia...

Alexei, I can't stand Keith Olbermann either....
But I do like Rachel Maddow, she is funny!
And overall agree that MSNBC is very poor alternative to FOX.
That's why I mainly listen to NPR:-)

Don't 'em militia boys live in the woods.
Do they now have a cable news channel (Fox) there?
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A 13-year-old Yemeni girl who was forced into marriage died five days after her wedding when she suffered a rupture in her sex organs and hemorrhaging, a local rights organization said Thursday.
Ilham Mahdi al Assi died last Friday in a hospital in Yemen's Hajja province, the Shaqaeq Arab Forum for Human Rights said in a statement quoting a medical report.
She was wedded the previous Monday in a traditional arrangement known as a "swap marriage," in which the brother of the bride also married the sister of the groom, it said.
"The child Ilham has died as a martyr due to the abuse of children's lives in Yemen," the non-governmental organization said.
Her death was a "flagrant example" of the results of opposing the ban on child marriage in Yemen, which was leading to "killing child females," it said.

he marriage of young girls is widespread in Yemen, which has a strong tribal structure.
The death of a 12-year-old girl in childbirth in September illustrated the case of the country's "brides of death," many of whom were married off even before puberty.
Controversy heightened in Yemen recently over a law banning child marriage in the impoverished country through setting a minimum age of 17 for women and 18 for men.
Thousands of conservative women demonstrated outside parliament last month, answering a call by Islamist parties opposing the law.
A lesser number of women rallied at the same venue a few days later in support of the law, the implementation of which was blocked pending a request by a group of politicians for a review.

Iran Rape Video Is Indictment of Obama
by Pamela Geller
04/08/2010
Video evidence has come to light of rape in the prisons of the Iranian regime. The Planet Iran website on Tuesday published the graphic and sickening video.
“I could tell that the girls were more afraid of their ‘wedding’ night than of the execution that awaited them in the morning,” a member of the paramilitary Basiji militia said last July about the prison rapes. “And they would always fight back, so we would have to put sleeping pills in their food. By morning the girls would have an empty expression. It seemed like they were ready or wanted to die. I remember hearing them cry and scream after [the rape] was over. I will never forget how this one girl clawed at her own face and neck with her finger nails afterwards. She had deep scratches all over her.”
Just a reminder of the barbaric regime that used to be in Iraq8oI

More from Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs:
The sheer brutality of the crackdown on the Iranian people who were marching for freedom, for the principle of one man, one vote, was impossible for us in the West to fathom. We heard the horror stories. We saw unarmed people meeting bullets with sheer will.
But the Iranians could not win this way. Barack Obama made sure of that.
We watched the President of the United States essentially sanction the crushing suppression of people who were yearning to be free by ignoring their plight. We witnessed the President of the United States look the other way while Iranian thugs committed acts of mass rape, torture and public hangings of innocent people. All that and more was done by an Islamic regime that President Obama demands that we respect.

We watched the President of the United States essentially sanction the crushing suppression of people who were yearning to be free by ignoring their plight.
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"We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people," Obama said in a written statement. "The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights."

Maria, what is the point of these posts?
We all know about brutality of many regimes. Do you suggest US should have invaded Iran as well? How about other countries that commit and committed genocide, had and have repressive regimes - and we did nothing? And by "we" I mean "we" as the country, no matter what the administration is or was. Governments get involved when it's in their interest, it is a very sad reality. We've seen it during WWII, Khmer Rouge, during Rwanda genocide, Sudan....we can keep going on and on.....
It is difficult to understand criticism - verbal condemnation is what is done most of the time in those situations, economic sanctions applied ( and they are in place) - what else is expected?

let me answer your question with the words of someone who was the victim of the oppressive regime, risked his life fighting for freedom, Nathan Sharansky, and what it meant to him when someone was not afraid to call it as it is..

Q. Were there any particular Reagan moments that you can recall being sources of strength or encouragement to you and your colleagues?
A. I have to laugh. People who take freedom for granted, Ronald Reagan for granted, always ask such questions. Of course! It was the great brilliant moment when we learned that Ronald Reagan had proclaimed the Soviet Union an Evil Empire before the entire world. There was a long list of all the Western leaders who had lined up to condemn the evil Reagan for daring to call the great Soviet Union an evil empire right next to the front-page story about this dangerous, terrible man who wanted to take the world back to the dark days of the Cold War. This was the moment. It was the brightest, most glorious day. Finally a spade had been called a spade. Finally, Orwell's Newspeak was dead. President Reagan had from that moment made it impossible for anyone in the West to continue closing their eyes to the real nature of the Soviet Union.

here some more what he had to say on his struggle
***********.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/224ncdel.asp

Sveta, this is all good, but do you deny that Reagan was driven by self-interest ( or, by the US interest)? The only reason US acted is because they felt threatened by the USSR at that point of history. Nobody helped my grandfather when he vanished in Gulag.
What do we suggest USA did to Iran in response to, admittedly, despicable acts committed there? Constructively?
in a format "If I was a President...."?

I already said.. to call it as it would be a great start.. to call the Iranian regime for what they are.. but you have to believe it first.. I believe our prez doesn't.. he doesn't believe US is an exceptional country, beacon of freedom, like Reagan did.. maybe Reagan didn't save a lot of дедушки vanished in Gulag before, but he surely prevented many more to vanish, not only in Russia, but other countries as well.. of course, it's American interest or self-interest to have as little as oppressive regimes as possible.. democratic countries are usually our allies..

Of course! It was the great brilliant moment when we learned that Ronald Reagan had proclaimed the Soviet Union an Evil Empire before the entire world.
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and by the entire world he meantat ameeting of the National Association of Evangelicals in Orlando, Florida. yeah, that's almost like speaking at the UN.

they asked me to give the troll the msg.. said they limited her/his?? internet access, and she went beserk.. now posing as some Lina on одноглазники and is also a big Obama supporter..:-D

off topic.. what happen to T? :-) you better get treated now before Obamacare takes effect.. I heard overweight psych patients will be denied their meds since one of the side effects is weight gain.. and they don't want to pay for your Phentermine either.. (H)

sadly this is what happens when a schizo becomes non-compliant. unfortunately, no amount of health reform could be of any help in this situation. it would be funny if it were not so sad.

Maria, what is the point of these posts?
I was just reading the Atlas Srugs blog run by a very courageous woman, Pamela Geller, who exposes brutality to women by radical regimes on a daily basis. ( She must have bodyguards for protection 24/7). So, I was overwhelmed and wanted to share with this group. You won't find stuff like this in MSM.
( I'm still shaking from the mental images of those poor women being raped in prisons, like they used to do regularly).

What do we suggest USA did to Iran in response to, admittedly, despicable acts committed there? Constructively?
This is from a few months ago when Iranians had their strongest and biggest protests against their tyrannical regime. Obama did not side with the protesters. :-|
All he needed to do is offer them their moral support and clarity that America is still on the side of all freedom fighters.
But he did not. He does not believe in freedom the way Reagan did.
Only much later , in response to a lot of critisim here at home, did he say what Lina posted below. But it was too late...

He does not believe in freedom the way Reagan did.
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I wish you were here when Reagan was in office.

Many in in this group have arather disturbing tendency of idolizing someof our former presidents, verymuch like they were taught to do in the USSR.

talking to yourself? :-)
is Sharansky in this group too?? hmm, I didn't know.. (ch)
it was a big effen deal when the Soviet Union collapsed.. that's why lots of people respect Reagan for having been part of it..

Many in in this group have arather disturbing tendency of idolizingsomeof our former presidents, verymuch like they were taught to do inthe USSR.
I don't remember they taught us in USSR to idolize Ronald Reagan (H)

isn't it shocking to hear about idolizing from someone who voted for Obama?? (ch)

first of all, theres no possible way in the world you could know whom I voted for or if I voted at all - unless the voices in your head told you. furthermore, if you don't see the difference between voting for someone and idolizing them.. well, what am I saying - they're obviously one and the same to you.

There is nothing wrong in idolizing a person who believes in freedom above all!
There is a lot of wrong in idolizing a president who promises to give free "stuff" to parasites.

he doesn't believe US is an exceptional country, beacon of freedom, like Reagan did.. maybe Reagan didn't save a lot of дедушки vanished in Gulag before, but he surely prevented many more to vanish, not only in Russia, but other countries as well..
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Reagan- жил, Reagan - жив, Reagan - будет жить!

There is nothing wrong in idolizing a person who believes in freedom above all!
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except that the bible forbids it *-)

Hitler was a Leftist

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
Just ran across this in the blogosphere. A good reminder of history, and how leftist ideology leads to tyranny.