Stan /Eugine latest (2005) list of countries that met did not meat is
here ********en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kyoto36-2005.png mostly EU
(I am ignoring soviet block) Now the problem of Kyoto is Global
markets , meaning if you want to stay competitive you have to apply
standards across the board. China and India have a point they have one
of the lowest emissions per capita - solution is technology. Just
you have to be willing to invest in it. Democrats vs McCain on this
is to push environmental standards on trade vs "same old"; Require fuel efficiency vs "nucular power".
You are talking about Obama/Clinton as if they can not be messiahs!
And THE ARE NOT messiahs, but they will move in the right direction, as
oppose to Republicans "Same old".

BTW McKenzie study showed that energy efficiency is ECONOMICALLY
beneficial. Sweden actually is the best proof of it, met Kyoto
and had an outstanding GDP growth.

Question to Stan , you do not believe in climate change and think that it is paranoia like "global cooling" . Can you post at least one scientific source predicting global cooling in 70s or otherwise? (My point all of it was just media spooks which quickly died out, not science )

Eugene, you may don't see it in a big Chicago - maybe too busy to see it, but if you take a drive around country you can see a lot of people began to use solar and wind energy. and if we had cars offered to us which use green oils don't you think we would of purchased them instead.. let's say bmw or dodge offer us something like this? which is not hard to do for them, they can switch overnight, but they don't because we still buying their cars as it is (I have 740I myself, I love bmw), we still buying gas that tripled in price because we "have to" and a lot of people like Mihail and Vitaliy still wants to vote for the candidate whom paid off by oil lobbies...

that would be the only reason why it could be just "dream", but if we have right president to get us out of Iraq and start spending more money on renewable energy, if president motivates people and lead industries by reflecting his ideas on our budget properly which leads to moving industries to the right direction, which leads consumer to buy right products which leads to other countries market to adapt to the changes as well.. we all connected one way or another with other countries - some buy, some produce... if we order from China new products - they will produce them, if we buy efficient cars - they will produce them for us.. it's all comes down to over all program where everyone is included - from people like you and me to a president who leads it all.

Yulya, you need to consider bigger factors the so called "necessary evil" for example:
1. Out of Iraq ? Do you know how many people are employed today in this country thats to Iraq ? Do you know how powerful our stratigic position is in the Middle East ?
2. Renewable energy. Yulya ? All the people with this new energy that are employed by ExonMobile, shell, KeySpan, etc and who will loose their jobs due to cut backs, who is going to pay them ? You ?
3. Global Warming is the world's createst hoax. There is something to it, but it is more natural then us.
We need more tax cuts. We need to start digging in Alaska for Oil, Iraq is fine, it will pay for itself.
McCain is the only choice (not much of a choice).

I don't have to do research...you can do that on your own Julia...я никому не навязываю свое мнение...Go Republicans!!! Долой дермократов! :-D

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"я никому не навязываю свое мнение...Go Republicans!!! Долой дермократов! "
could havе been in анекдоты форум

Funny, anyone I spoke in Texas to (hispanics, blacks, white - American
born or immigrants) - every one so far was against Bush and/or McCain
and will vote
for democrats... No matter what you say here guys, I just don't see how
McCain can get over what Bush put us through.. Roman, we are looking for
workers! I have jobs to offer! seriously, do you think if we are going
to make a change to renewable energy you think it will happen overnight?
it will take at least 20-30 years don't you think? by that time new
jobs will be created by new industries.. as well as we will have chance
for a real FREE market for energy instead of monopoly we have now..

Lost & Unaccounted for in Iraq - $9 billion of US taxpayers' money
and $549.7 milion in spare parts shipped in 2004 to US contractors.
Also, per ABC News, 190,000 guns, including 110,000 AK-47 rifles.

Missing - $1 billion in tractor trailers, tank recovery vehicles,
machine guns, rocket-propelled grenades and other equipment and
services provided to the Iraqi security forces. (Per CBS News on Dec 6, 2007.)


Mismanaged & Wasted in Iraq - $10 billion, per Feb 2007 Congressional hearings


Halliburton Overcharges Classified by the Pentagon as Unreasonable and Unsupported - $1.4 billion

Amount paid to KBR, a former Halliburton division, to supply U.S.
military in Iraq with food, fuel, housing and other items - $20 billion


Portion of the $20 billion paid to KBR that Pentagon auditors deem "questionable or supportable" - $3.2 billion


Number of major U.S. bases in Iraq - 75