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post #161 Старый 03.12.2009, 04:16
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interesting fact about the education Americans receive in public aschools and Ivy League schools..
NewYork,May 29, 2002 ? Almost two-thirds of Americans think Karl Marx?smaxim,?From each according to his ability, to each according to hisneeds? wasor could have been written by the framers and included intheConstitution, according to a nationwide survey commissioned by ColumbiaLaw School.
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post #162 Старый 03.12.2009, 05:05
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wow! that's a great analysis...
This is exactly as much analysis as it deserves.
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post #163 Старый 03.12.2009, 05:38
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I'd like to deviate from current thread, if you don't mind. We can wait for voices of our Conservative teachers to be heard, there is at least three of them in this group.
Julia Stein have made a following point many times: immigrants from FSU who call themselves Conservative are hypocrites. For reaping social benefits (SSI, Medicaid, Medicare) by elderly who did not contribute to this country. I just thought of something.
I, as a conservative am against unfair social programs: free dwellings for healthy unemployed adults, welfare for the same group, furniture allowances, prom dress allowances, cell phone allowances (they all exist in NYC). (To be continued)
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post #164 Старый 03.12.2009, 05:57
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Alexey, you are supporting my viewson who teach in our schools with your deep thoughts..

are you telling me people don't vote with their bottom line, the teachers' unions are not partisan? what's your theory on teachers being liberal?

or you are subscribing to the nut theory that unless you are a liberal you don't care for people, don't do your job well and are basically a racist?
I work with a diverse population, and treat everyone as people and the same...my political views have nothing to do with what I do..
Oh, I also find it amusing how the biggest defenders of public schools send their kids to private..:-)they probably don't like diversity for their kids?
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post #165 Старый 03.12.2009, 05:59
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Continued...
Of course, giving free medical insurance, free or very inexpensive living arrangements, food stamps, free shoes, glasses, air conditioners, etc. to people who have never contributed to US, (and never will) may seem as unfair. But is it?
Take an average couple of this sort. They came here when they were well in their 70's. Right?
They have grown kids, in their 40's - early 50's and grandchildren, in late teens or early 20's. Their children (two on the average) go to work and work for 20 -25 years each, paying SSI, taxes, creating personal wealth, paying property taxes, etc...These people were not educated here, they did not use any social resources of this country prior to their arrival and will not use any after their retirement. Same for grandchildren. Isn't it only fair that those elderly who were robbed off their pensions by Mother Russia will receive a little portion of the benefits that their children and grandchildren earned but never used?
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post #166 Старый 03.12.2009, 06:19
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Ira, I used immigrants from FSU as an example only because:
a) Their cases are familiar to me.
b) They are being accused of hypocrisy when turning Conservative.
Don't know much about Mexican families. I do know that statistically immigrants from FSU contribute more in taxes then Dominicans, let's say. Just a cold case of numbers speaking for themselves. No politics. Also, if an American who was born here does not see the difference between someone who works as a structural engineer and pays over 100K in taxes per household per year, and someone who works in grocery while his common law wife gets WIC checks for their 7 children, then that American is a damn fool.
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post #167 Старый 03.12.2009, 06:22
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ух какие тут все --по англиски усе !!! да есе все политикли -корект !!! че вы тут все рассписуетес...в парламент даваите !!! деретесь кто кто !!!?? либерал и все --консерватив и все!!! переписали все тыт с интернета -- а как такового мнения нет не у одного !!!! точно как политики --"пи@@дят " без толку как вы .....
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post #168 Старый 03.12.2009, 06:22
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Ira, if you go to any european country and just start living there without any permission to live and work , would you get social benefits?
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post #169 Старый 03.12.2009, 06:26
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ааа так че все хотят бенефит.... ха самие классние бенефиту --либерали дают !!!!:-P :-P :-P :-P
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post #170 Старый 03.12.2009, 06:36
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ага !!! я с какой -- с канады -- тут эти либиралы--- были долго!!! ,,с 1989 -2006 -- за то хот "марихуану" разрешили --курить !!
а то что все друг на друга нападают --- тут все свободние выбрать свою партию... а если ты не такой как все ми тебя завалим --обосрем -- делаы все как мы ...точно совкобые принцепы !!!8oI
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