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post #11 Старый 07.12.2009, 06:02
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well, Lina, sure, if you call nature other names ( G-D), and if you do not see creation as literal, but rather metaphorical - why not, metaphors are great, and if you see the beginning somewhere around the time of Big Bang....
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post #12 Старый 07.12.2009, 06:03
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2. Age of the Universe
Science claims that the universe is between 10 and 20 billion years old[11], whereas according to the Torah, there were 6 days of creation plus 5761 years. Although the scientific dating may be inaccurate[12], there has been no serious scientific challenge to these estimates[13].
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post #13 Старый 07.12.2009, 06:04
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Several answers to this challenge talk about two types of time. The Maharal reminds us that time, being that it is a part of the created world, is a relative concept[14], and indeed, according to relativity theory, it expands and contracts[15]. This allows Dr. Gerald Schroeder to calculate that about 15 billion years in the center of the universe translates into 6 days on the edge of the universe, where the much heavier gravity slows time down significantly. Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan comes up with a similar answer based on traditional sources[16].
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post #14 Старый 07.12.2009, 06:07
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Similarly, Rav Shimon Schwabtalks of two types of time, cosmic time and earthly time. The 6 days ofcreation are counted according to cosmic time[17], during which period millions of years may have passed according to our measure of time.
Rav Dessler brings the Vilna Gaon and other sources to show that time before the sin of the First Man was far more contracted[19]; whereas that same time would be perceived today as stretched out into billions of years.***********.simpletoremember.com/faqs/Science_and_Judaism.htm
but I still suggest to those who are truly interested to speak to people who are qualified in both subjects...
there is absolutely no contradictiction in science and religion...moreover, one of the main geneticist has become religious after studying science...
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post #15 Старый 07.12.2009, 06:30
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if you meant Wilson - yes, he is a respected, although controversial scientist...
here are some very interesting resources on science and religion:
********meaningoflife.tv/
***********.pbs.org/moyers/faithandreason/watch.html
********speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/einstein/index.shtml
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post #16 Старый 07.12.2009, 07:37
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***********.myjewishlearning.com/beliefs/Issues/Science/Creationism_and_Evolution/Kabbalah.shtml?BFIS
here is an article by a physics professor...
Science and Creation: A Kabbalistic Approach
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post #17 Старый 07.12.2009, 07:43
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he does not question G-d's existence, though...
I would like to see a real open analysis - doubt, doubt, doubt... shouldn't it be at the core of Jewish study?
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post #18 Старый 07.12.2009, 08:01
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check out Gerald Schroeder, an MIT educated physicist...he has many books on that issue - Origin of Life, God according to God, The big bang.
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post #19 Старый 07.12.2009, 08:08
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OK, thanks.
Now another big question - how does one align with one religion vs another?
for example, when our kids were in school -we sent them to Hebrew school and went to Temple all those years..... none of the stuff that was preached resonated with me, only on "tribal", "cultural" level, and I was spotting hypocrisy every step of the way - which to me was THE biggest deterrent....And I put an honest effort into learning anything I could about Judaism. Still, all too often it seemed like belief is a lack of critical thinking.
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post #20 Старый 07.12.2009, 08:19
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Christianity is based on Judaism. So, it's the same.
Majority of great scientists who made the most fundamental discoveries in the history of humankind were deeply religious people.
If you look into the history of Western civilization, most greatest minds were moved by their Judeo/Christian faith.
Science does not explain anything. It just describes.
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