(md) what do modern American conservatives have anything do with the Roman Church..I mean when will this lunacy end?? You have to have no perspective to say that..(hu)

the intellectuals that contributed to the betterment of people's lives and I admire the most are probably our Founding Fathers, and their principles they founded are still working..
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also known as liberals... before you open your mouth, they were liberal within the context of their time...similarly,the views of present day liberals will also seem rather conservative a few hundred years from now.

yeah, they WERE liberals of THEIR times, not even liberals, but progressives..but the modern liberal "intellectuals" or the left today no longer hold their views, ideas or principles as golden..and that's a HUGE problem..many lefties today prefer the European thinking (more socialistic) which in contradiction with the thinking of the founders..

what do modern American conservatives have anything do with the Roman Church..
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justlike the present day modern American conservatives, the Roman church of thatperiod (and today)was having difficulty keeping up with the times, holding on to the past, and refusing to look forward towards the future - resisting any kind of change or progress.

sorry, but it's retarded..first, we don't progress for the sake of progress..we learn from the past, we preserve the principles of what made this place unique and great, and it was not collectivism, but individualism..
BTW, Reagan, eventhough doesn't fit the profile, if not intellectual, but a really great person..he, on his own, came up with the strategy to win the Cold War, no one ever tried before, and it worked..and it's all because he knew that America is the greatest place, and communism is to be defeated, not appeased..
but some, who think they are really "enlightened" and great, still, to this day, refuse to admit it..what is the term for them?? (ch)

the left today no longer hold their views, ideas or principles as golden..
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that's not entirely true... but if you think about it, neither would they(FF), had they lived today... for as you yourself have said, they were progressives... why stop at politics, why not start dressing and behaving as people did hundreds of years ago? what would the founding fathers say of your present day clothing, the fact that you hold a job... ? just because you choose to live in the past, don't condemn those who look towards the future.

I am all about the future..except when the future is socialism..but history shows that the only time we improve our future is when we stick to something that's proven to work..like living in a free country, American way..
that's why I said..let smart people what they know and do best, do it on their own, in the private sector, with their own money, where they face all the consequences of their ideas...that's how we generate the best ideas and progress..

no one ever tried before, and it worked
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it worked because the time was right... it didn't work with brezhnev, andropov, or chernenko... RR just got lucky with gorbachev

gorbachev - yet another progressive, refusing to hold on to the "golden" principles of his country's founding fathers.

and it's all because he knew that America is the greatest place, and communism is to be defeated, not appeased..
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change America to the USSR, and communism to capitalism, and you sound like a typical commie.