so you do want the rest of us, who are also responsible but choose to budget for our health-care needs differently, to live by your and the government defintion of what's acceptable?

i want everyone to have enough insurance such that I don't have to pay for them when they are unable to pay their hospital bills.

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you will be paying for people who will abuse the system regardless and it will be much more, plus what you are supporting the bill that will screw up the good system we have and hurt the economy..

sure.. from the top of my head: FDIC, Glass-Steagal, Fed, there are 1000s of programs that worked.

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and add 1000s of private companies that failed
including every single large bank in US that would have failed without TARP.
government programs fail, same as private companies fail..
this is why we should strive to have better government.

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Человек, который почувствовал ветер перемен, должен построить не щит от ветра, а ветряную мельницу

so you do want the rest of us, who are also responsible but choose to budget for our health-care needs differently
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how exactly do you budget for your health care needs? didn't you mention that you work in a hospital? wouldn't that mean that your employer provides your health insurance?

Mike, that's the difference, you know it just want to argue here (ch) - the private companies that fails should fail, and no one should bail it out..when the government agency fails, they always bail it out and will never admit it doesn't work, so it becomes a vicious cycle..plus it will screw our political system so much, no wonder dems are putting everything on the line to pass it..
will talk in 5-10 yrs and will see how much improvement it has brought and how it's affected the cost...(ch)

i am just responding to your argument..
there are successful government programs and there are those that fail. you asked for examples of successful once - i gave them to you.

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Похоже диктатура Обамата восторжествует и чисто идеологический билл пройдёт в Сенате ( в ночь перед Рождеством).
Цены на страховки поднимутся, также как и стоимость здравоохранения. Качество здравоохранения при этом пойдёт вниз, и выбор, которым мы сейчас так дорожим, исчезнет.
Налоги поднимутся ( с 2010 года), а билл войдёт в действие только в 2014 году. Но протащить его надо обязательно в ночь перед Рождеством.
И Дорогой Лидер сможет, с наглой усмешкой, на своей самодовольной роже обьявить , что Он сдеал Рождественский подарок всему Американскому народу.
Как всегда, it's all about Him.

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A bill so reckless that it has to be rammed through on a partisan vote on Christmas eve.Mr. Obama promised a new era of transparent good government, yet onSaturday morning Mr. Reid threw out the 2,100-page bill that theworld's greatest deliberative body spent just 17 days debating andreplaced it with a new "manager's amendment" that was stapled togetherin covert partisan negotiations. Democrats are barely even bothering topretend to care what's in it, not that any Senator had the chance todigest it in the 38 hours before the first cloture vote at 1 a.m. thismorning. After procedural motions that allow for no amendments, thefinal vote could come at 9 p.m. on December 24.
Even in World War I there was a Christmas truce.