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post #551 Старый 28.04.2010, 14:18
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if someone is suspected in breaking a law, the law enforcement has a duty to act on it..
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what exactly will this suspicion be based on?
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post #552 Старый 28.04.2010, 14:21
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How about the right to a due process? Are you Ok with police entering your home w/out a warrant? How about arresting you on the account that you have an accent? ;-)
I think the right approach would be to (1) separate the issues of immigration and border security (2) eliminate the reason for illegals to stay in the US -- jobs that hire illegal immigrants.
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post #553 Старый 28.04.2010, 14:21
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Липовые аргументы против нового закона... *
Слышала по радио сегодня Обамку с глупейшей тирадой, типа " You just want to go out with your kid for some ice cream, and if you don't have documents with you you will be harassed". *Ну маразм просто, стыдно слушать такой бред. *У Обамки уже совсем совести нет, такую ахинею несёт ...
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post #554 Старый 28.04.2010, 14:27
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
At common law, a police officer could arrest an individual if that individual committed a misdemeanor in the officer's presence or if the officer had probable cause to believe that the individual was committing a felony. For misdemeanors, probable cause to believe that a wrongdoer committed a misdemeanor is not sufficient for an arrest; the police officer has to actually witness the misdemeanor.
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post #555 Старый 28.04.2010, 14:30
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How about the right to a due process? Are you Ok with police entering your home w/out a warrant? How about arresting you on the account that you have an accent?
first, do you really think the police is stupid enough to start questioning someone just because they have an accent?? have you seen illegals in real life?? they don't look, act like people who live here legally at all, even when compared to the new immigrants.. and like I said early - no one will be harmed if they are asked to provide proof of their immigration status.. just like you are required to provide many other documents.. when I first came here and it was not in Arizona, I was told to carry my immigration papers with me.. and that's you are expected to do even when you have your green card.. legal aliens are courteously allowed to live in this country and they should respect the laws of this land and help protect them..
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post #556 Старый 28.04.2010, 14:43
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Here is the article by Byron York about the new Arizona law. He writes about all the hysteria in the media and among Democrats and illegals about the law, but nobody actually read it.:-)
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post #557 Старый 28.04.2010, 14:45
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have you seen illegals in real life?? they don't look, act like peoplewho live here legally at all, even when compared to the newimmigrants..
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really? how are they different?
legal aliens are courteously allowed to live in this country and theyshould respect the laws of this land and help protect them..
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why just the legal aliens and how will the police be able to differentiate between them and the naturalized citizens? I know you think they look different, but honestly, all otb's (no offense) look and sound the same.
respect and help protect the unconstitutional laws?
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post #558 Старый 28.04.2010, 14:55
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that article obviously relies on people's ignorance of the law or just plain ignorance.
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post #559 Старый 28.04.2010, 15:01
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first, do you really think the police is stupid enough to start questioning someone just because they have an accent??
Yes.
have you seen illegals in real life?? they don't look, act like people who live here legally at all, even when compared to the new immigrants..
The ones I saw (who I knew would be an illegal alien soon) looked exactly like other people -- and even spoke Russian. I don't know if people I meet on the street (or in the ethnic food stores) are legal or illegal -- I do not check their federal documents. :-)
legal aliens are courteously allowed to live in this country and they should respect the laws of this land and help protect them..
But I'm a citizen of this country and expect everybody -- including law enforcement -- to respect my rights and individual freedom. If I don't want to carry my passport while I'm walking my dog in the park -- I don't have to.
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post #560 Старый 28.04.2010, 15:07
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Section 2, Paragraph B: "For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person."

for the millionth time, reasonable suspicion based on what?
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