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post #561 Старый 28.04.2010, 15:13
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From Maria's article:
"Still, critics worry the law would force some people to carry their papers, just like in an old movie. The fact is, since the 1940s, federal law has required non-citizens in this country to carry, on their person, the documentation proving they are here legally -- green card, work visa, etc. That hasn't changed.
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no, that hasn't changed at all, except that now we'll all have to.
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post #562 Старый 28.04.2010, 22:08
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But I'm a citizen of this country and expect everybody -- including law enforcement -- to respect my rights and individual freedom. If I don't want to carry my passport while I'm walking my dog in the park -- I don't have to.
if you pick up after your dog, no one will have to a reason to ask you for your passport.. you still failed to mention which rights of yours would be violated.. I am sure you don't like to show your car registration if you are stopped.. too bad... but just like the police and the FBI were after Italians when they were fighting organized crime years ago, they would be after certain people now.. safety of innocent people is more important than your inconvenience..
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post #563 Старый 28.04.2010, 23:03
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I don't think this is correct, as according to that Arizona law if

reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States
I can be asked to show my immigration papers. A reasonable suspicion can arise if a police officer overhears me calling "Молодец, Полкаша!"
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post #564 Старый 28.04.2010, 23:07
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safety of innocent people is more important than your inconvenience..
So I see that you agree with the policy of putting Americans of Japanese origin into concentration camps during the second World War...
Anyway, I think I fundamentally disagree with you on that one, because it this logic leads to suppression of my individual freedoms given to me by my Constitution -- and US turning into USSR.
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post #565 Старый 28.04.2010, 23:24
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Anyway, I think I fundamentally disagree with you on that one, because it this logic leads to suppression of my individual freedoms given to me by my Constitution -- and US turning into USSR.
again, which right would it be??
Why the Soviet Union?.. Mexico is very harsh with their illegal immigrants from Central America, as well as other countries..
You have to admit - you are against the police enforcing it because you don't see anything wrong with people coming here illegally, right?? Well, this is where the Arizonians and you disagree.. they are fed up with illegal immigration to the point where it hurts them..
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post #566 Старый 29.04.2010, 00:31
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"Natan, I agree with all of your points, except for the very last one. I don't believe that Republicans have political will to change the situation -- there was no immigration reform during 8 years of Bush administration."
Алексей,
Conservatives, like myself, do not care if the people in Congress as listed with an "R" or "D" next to their names. I already said that the problem was created by both Republicans and Democrats.
We will vote for and hopefully elect those who espouse conservative values including responsible LIMITED Federal government which DOES the things it is MANDATED to do by the Constitution - that included foremost protection of the borders, and, more importantly, the Federal government that DOES NOT DO things that are not in its jurisdiction and should be handled by states and localities.
People are gradually waking up. There are millions of us and in November in Washington we will be heard.
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post #567 Старый 29.04.2010, 00:41
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So far the only argument objecting to the new AZ law basically can be boiled down to the following: "This law has a potential for abuse by the law enforcement agencies".
I have news for you, folks. ANY law has a potential for abuse. You've got to come up with better/newer arguments.....
The AZ law has succeeded already by putting this issue in front of the American people - front and center, as a prime example of the Federal government's complete and total abdication of its lawful responsibilities.
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post #568 Старый 29.04.2010, 00:48
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Svetlana, my right to a due process and my constitutional protection against unreasonable searches.
You have to admit - you are against the police enforcing it because you don't see anything wrong with people coming here illegally, right??
Please don't second-guess my opinion on that issue. As a person who went through all of the legal and due process of immigration, I see a lot of wrong with people coming here -- and saying here -- illegally. I don't have an issue with improving border security -- I will support building a wall there if needed, because I believe that it is a national security issue. I would support doubling or tripling the budget for border protection, if needed. I believe that illegals should be immediately deported -- and if they want to appeal their deportation, they should do that from their country.
I DO have a problem with a law that introduces different casts of CITIZENS and brings my country closer to a police state.
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post #569 Старый 29.04.2010, 01:08
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one of us doesn't understand the meaning of the due process..
to put it more simply, where an individual is facing a (1) deprivation of (2) life, liberty, or property, (3) procedural due process mandates that he or she is entitled to adequate notice, a hearing, and a neutral judge.
How is anyone's due processed being violated with this law?? If you can prove your legal immigration status you will not be detained.. if police were not allowed to question anyone, they wouldn't b e able to prosecute the majority of the criminal activities..
do you have a problem with the law enforcement monitoring certain groups and places like muslim extremists and mosques to get clues of the impending attacks too??
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post #570 Старый 29.04.2010, 01:23
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Svetlana, there is such a thing called a "warrant". Law enforcement can do whatever they want if they obtain a warrant from a judge to do so. This is constitutionally-anchored separation of powers.
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