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post #51 Старый 19.10.2009, 12:02
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i believe nobody wanted to pardon him.. the difference was life in prison vs death...
i don't see a principle difference between those 2.
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post #52 Старый 19.10.2009, 12:08
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Sveta, to your question as to who my favorite conservative is - I gave it some thought and can say I don't have a favorite liberal either ( well, except for Jon Stewart, of course:-D ), but one of my favorite American presidents is Teddy Roosevelt. I would vote with his "clone" these days.
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post #53 Старый 19.10.2009, 12:10
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I meant grant him clemency...politicians from Cali were lobbying for him...
the difference I you can't name someone you consider on the edge and say they belong to conservatives, can you?
or what's your definition of being on the edge?
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post #54 Старый 19.10.2009, 12:15
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why do you like Teddy?
the reason I am asking - I think you probably think he was progressive for his times, but being progressive then has nothing to do with even being progressive like FDR...something tells me he wouldn't support anything FDR did domestically, as for the rest of the modern liberal politians, I will take a pass..(ch)
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post #55 Старый 19.10.2009, 12:25
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I like his views on assimilation of immigrants, his work for with National parks, his wide views overall. He was not a polarizing figure, nuanced, intelligent, educated, well read...
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post #56 Старый 19.10.2009, 12:37
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i read a book about him a while ago, that was my impression then- maybeI forgot some stuff, but it was just a general feeling - I liked theguy.
I actually liked Bush Sr for many things he did, his son is a whole other story.....
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post #57 Старый 19.10.2009, 12:43
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In an 1894 article on immigration, Roosevelt said, "We mustAmericanize in every way, in speech, in political ideas and principles,and in their way of looking at relations between church and state. Wewelcome the German and the Irishman who becomes an American. We have nouse for the German or Irishman who remains such... He must revere onlyour flag, not only must it come first, but no other flag should evencome second.

That's what he said on immigration...super-conservative according to today's standards :-)...today he would be called a radical...(tr)
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post #58 Старый 19.10.2009, 12:53
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I think it makes more sense to judge a historical figure within the context of the time in which he lived, rather than compare him to today's standards...
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post #59 Старый 19.10.2009, 15:30
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Sveta,agree. Today, if you want immigrants to assimilate and embrace the American values, you will be called a racist.
So, Yulia, how can you try to emulate what Teddy Roosevelt did, and not be called a racist?
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post #60 Старый 19.10.2009, 22:07
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it seems kind of strange to equate assimilation with racism(md) (md) .
The focus these days shifted towards effective assimilation with preservation of ethnic identity - a more evolved concept, that is it.
Isn't this what you are trying to do - live in America and still speak Russian at home? :-D
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