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post #21 Старый 19.12.2009, 04:42
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I am not really arguing...just saying what I think about it...
I do believe that dems love controlling our lives, love telling people what to do, love spending our money because they assume they know better...so they resort to lies, half-truths to manipulaten the public opinion..
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post #22 Старый 19.12.2009, 04:50
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eeeh.. i have no idea why i used this format, so used to slashdot .
i meant substitute "dems" with "politicians" of course
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post #23 Старый 19.12.2009, 05:10
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-some are advocating the population control (tell you how many kids you can have)..
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not such a bad idea, especially if you look at what's happening in India. They are also an excellent example of environmental degradation resulting from lack of regulations.
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you'd be the first to complain about welfare moms with 10 kids.
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post #24 Старый 19.12.2009, 05:12
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too late to take it backnow :-P but to me dems don't mind taking your individual freedoms as long as it accomplishes their goals for the "greater good"...all the same approach to every problem - more taxes, regulation, government programs...not even funny..
when it moves - tax it
when it keeps moving - regulate it
when it stops - subsidize it
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post #25 Старый 19.12.2009, 05:21
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the dems take your freedoms? really? where have you been the last 8 years?
1. Warrantless Wiretapping — In December 2005, the New York Times reported the National Security Agency was tapping into telephone calls of Americans without a warrant, in violation of federal statutes and the Constitution.

2. Torture, Kidnapping and Detention — In the years since 9/11, our government has illegally kidnapped, detained and tortured numerous prisoners. The government continues to claim that it has the power to designate anyone, including Americans as "enemy combatants" without charge.

Attacks on Academic Freedom — The Bush administration has used a provision in the Patriot Act to engage in a policy of "censorship at the border" to keep scholars with perceived political views the administration does not like out of the United States.
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post #26 Старый 19.12.2009, 05:42
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when it stops - subsidize it
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were you referring to GW's 2002 $190 billion farm subsidy bill?
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post #27 Старый 19.12.2009, 08:20
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Михаил (Mike) Рабинович deliberately misrepresented what I said, in addition to accusing me of being out of my mind, on drugs, and so on.
No, I never claimed that Al Gore and his ilk wants to put us all into a concentration camp. These people are just rubes, fools really, who use GW as means to push their political agenda, without a clue as to what this will turn into once the GOVERNMENT is given even larger power to regulate and control our lives in every way imaginable.
They no more know what they're doing than 19th century western European and Russian intellectuals who advocated communist ideas, as great and advanced as people thought these were at the time. The consequences of these theories lead to horrible results a few decades later.
When people cede their rights to the GOVERNMENT, this inevitably leads to tyranny down the road. Maybe not right away and maybe not for us. But certainly for our children.
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post #28 Старый 19.12.2009, 08:23
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"When the people are afraid of their government - it is tyranny, when government is afraid of the people - it is liberty." -- Thomas Jefferson.
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post #29 Старый 19.12.2009, 08:40
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Our rights as Americans have been encroached upon by the Federal Government and politicians in both parties for the better part of the 20th century. This process has intensified significantly lately - in the last few decades with a small, partial rollback of this encroachment only during 8 years of Ronald Reagan presidency.
The aggressive environmentalism, as advocated by Al Gore, is just one manifestation of this encroachment. The founders of this republic have never intended for the Federal Government to be of such scope, size and wield such powers as it does currently. Please read the Federalist Papers and the Constitution to understand that limited Federal Government with powers ONLY enumerated in the Constitution is at the heart of and is the essence of this great republic.
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post #30 Старый 19.12.2009, 08:54
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Ira, you're asking how the Government is encroaching on my rights? Here is just one example.
Approximately 60% of every dollar I earn I pay in taxes. Most of those taxes did not exist 70-80 years ago. And no, I am not a "fat cat" working on Wall St. I am what they call "middle class".
The size of the Federal Government is largest it's ever been. Millions of people are working for it. This vast bureaucracy currently consumes almost 20% of GDP and is slated to grow to 28% if Federal Government takes over health care.
And what have we got to show for it? Almost $14 trillion in debt and rising. Which is the debt my children and grandchildren will have to pay, thus significantly diminishing their standard of living. And you are telling me that my rights have not being diminished? You must be joking!!!!
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