Let's talk about religion - no insults, no flood, no personal attacks, please... Can we do it?

So, this stems from one of the previews topics...
Oleg raised a very legitimate question -how can one with good science education be religious?
I say - maybe if one is Buddhist... since there is no Supernatural entities in Buddhism, and it is not a hierarchical, but a "circular" religion-philosophy - All is One. It does not clash with our constructs of the Universe as we understand it today. There is no contradiction, that's why so many neuroscientists, physicists, physicians are Buddhists.
So, let's continue....

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i guess that symbiosis of science and religion is very possible.Let's take a human body: we have one head, a pair of eyes/ears/arms/legs....we know the functions of all the organs, and we even can treat some of the conditions in this organs....but...
why are we like that? how amazing that uniting 2 microscopic half genomes (1/2 from female, 1/2 from male) the human being occur...with all the above mentioned organs, brain, abstract thinking, etc...There is a huge leap between a monkey and a human
And maybe we're creatures of G-d. Besides, there are so unexplainable things (talking medicine as the closest topic for me to dicsuss) despite all the knowledge we have...

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actually, I believe his question was: how can one simultaneously believe in science and God. Since God is not the same thing as religion, and may or may nothave anything to do with religion, I don't necessarilysee the two as being mutually exclusive.

I never forget one of my patient when i was in my first year of residency (internship). It was an ICU, a 87 year old jewish orthodox man was dying on a breathing machine from a very severe pneumonia. His children (he had like 10), and their spouses and their kids were praying 24/7 at his bedside. We totally gave up and supported his life functions only. And one night, i don't know how it happened, that dying man pulled out the tube and....started to feel better, and better, and...miracle happened...he walked out of ICU ...HOME!!!!!!!Unexplained scietific miracle? Or G-d just heard the praying of the family? And i can tell endless stories about miracles like that...

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we in medicine all can....
but for every good story there are millions and millions of sad and devastating ones.... people are still dying from malaria, polio, measles, whatever... - what, are they not praying enough? or G-d doesn't hear their prayers? or they are praying the wrong G-d... plus, miracles are miracles, and statistics are statistics... In any case, for me, the model that includes supernatural just doesn't work. If you call G-d Nature - then, sure... but in Judeo -Christian tradition this is not the same, G-d is a supreme entity. In Buddhism we are all one, we are all part of nature, we are G-d -but the word is not used. Much more cohesive -just from my prospective.

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let's talk for a second on a very common trend of moral superiority in religious people....
To me - it's a turn-off ..... since real believers should be at least , theoretically - humble.
Any comments?

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Julia, I typed this before I saw your last post. Very personal subject for me, BTW, will elaborate.
I absolutely agree with the fact that no amount of science can fully explain the human body at this point, or ape's body, or the patterns of butterfly's wings or chameleon's ability to change color or spider's amazing way of survival. But a "special man" who created all of that 6,000 years ago???
P.S. I'm only talking about Judeo Christian model here.

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I have been working with many scientist who are religious. They do not have any problem with that. Most of them clearly separate their faith and science

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But, if you believe that God created the universe, how can you view the history of the world in the scientific way? Black holes, galaxies, continental drifts, Ice age, dinosaurs, primordial soup???

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Yes, it can be. But I, myself, want to limit this query to followers of specific religion. Judaism. I only am familiar with adept followers of it. The only Christians and Muslims I know are not really religious.

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